Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

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I think Epstein was killed because he was playing hard ball. Attempting to hold dirt over the heads of the people he worked with/for, likely including intelligence agencies.

I think Maxwell agreed to play ball. Now what's left is mitigating fallout. It will be interesting to see what is released and about who. Remember this is multinational, even though we know people like Prince Andrew are involved releasing info is damaging to Britain, and our possible involvement further complicates things. this is a huge mess, and why the info hasn't been released.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think Epstein was liked because he was playing hard ball. Attempting to hold dirt over the heads of the people he worked with/for, likely including intelligence agencies.

I think Maxwell agreed to play ball. Now what's left is mitigating fallout. It will be interesting to see what is released and about who. Remember this is multinational, even though we know people like Prince Andrew are involved releasing info is damaging to Britain, and our possible involvement further complicates things. this is a huge mess, and why the info hasn't been released.
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I absolutely do think that there was an "agreement $$$$$ ?" with the royal family to withhold any content damaging to Andrew, but now that he has been ex-communicated, such an agreement is rendered unimportant.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I absolutely do think that there was an "agreement $$$$$ ?" with the royal family to withhold any content damaging to Andrew, but now that he has been ex-communicated, such an agreement is rendered unimportant.
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I don't think so, info that comes out brings it back to the surface. Whether he's ex-communicated or not is still causes damage to the royal "brand".

And Prince Andrew likely isn't the only high profile Britt involved, maybe the only royal.

And if intelligence apparatus is involved it further complicates things. Intelligence agencies assets are precariously intertwined. The agencies know who the players are these days, surveillance is so advanced these days the agencies know who is telling them everything and if they are playing multiple hands at the poker table.

There's going to be a lot of collateral damage if there is a record dump, no matter how redacted.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They didn't really try to get the grand jury released. The motions didn't even pretend to meet the legal standard. The DOJ clearly took a dive on that.
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I don’t really care.

How many heads of DOJ have had this case without bringing charges on anybody outside of Epstein and Maxwell? 3? 5?

Either we trust them to make that decision or there’s no end to the rabbit hole because we’ll never trust them to do a proper job of releasing the underlying information.

Even if they released everything, the idea that the public is going to crack the case is pretty nutty.

The most that’s going to happen is that some people will get tarred with suspicions that will never be taken to court and probably wouldn’t have held up if they had been.
 
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I'm still inclined to the attorney that was involved in the case. Judges are blocking the info people want.

"These victims are all now in their 40s. They're adults. There's no reason to protect them. If they are real victims, they shouldn't be ashamed of having been victimized," he said. "Everything inclines toward complete and total disclosure. We'll never get total disclosure until the judges — not the Trump administration — the judges unseal material they've now sealed."

"There's also a lot of miscommunication about whether there's a client list," he said. "There is a client list, but it was never written by Jeffrey Epstein. It was the FBI who put together a list of people who were accused, and some of the names have been redacted."

"I know the names because I was involved in, obviously, the law cases, and there are still some names that have been redacted. So there is a list, but it's not a Jeffrey Epstein list. It's a list the FBI put together based on accusations made by people they interviewed. That's the closest thing we have to any kind of a list."

"Most important is what's being sealed by the judges. Three federal judges in New York have sealed massive amounts of material — depositions of very, very prominent people — and those depositions should be revealed," he said. "One of them is a deposition by me. One of them is a deposition by other people. I claim no interest in privacy. I want everything out there because I'm innocent." 9/quote]
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TheDeeble said:
I'm still inclined to the attorney that was involved in the case. Judges are blocking the info people want.


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his first argument is crap.

they are still victims no matter how old they are now, or when the crime happened.

plenty of reasons to withhold their names and protect them. It would 100% have a negative impact on their life knowing they were victims of Epstein.

How many people are comfortable letting their past embarrassments out? I bet this lawyer is not going over all the times he was bullied in middle school.
 
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LouderVol said:
his first argument is crap.

they are still victims no matter how old they are now, or when the crime happened.

plenty of reasons to withhold their names and protect them. It would 100% have a negative impact on their life knowing they were victims of Epstein.

How many people are comfortable letting their past embarrassments out? I bet this lawyer is not going over all the times he was bullied in middle school.
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I thought the same. How many moms want their kids to know they they were participants in a prostitution ring, whether they were underage when they did it or not?

That's stupid, reckless and incredibly insensitive.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is already a fracture within MAGA over this and if the perception is that Trump/Bondi have engineered another block or delay of release of ALL the files, it will split it wide open.
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The “MAGA fracture” has always been about Israel. That’s why it’s Massey and Jewish space lasers lady leading the charge. It’s why none of this was an issue until this summer when we got involved with Iran.
 
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LouderVol said:
his first argument is crap.

they are still victims no matter how old they are now, or when the crime happened.

plenty of reasons to withhold their names and protect them. It would 100% have a negative impact on their life knowing they were victims of Epstein.

How many people are comfortable letting their past embarrassments out? I bet this lawyer is not going over all the times he was bullied in middle school.
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My point was that the names of the accused aren't in any "Epstein file" currently in possession of the govt and could be released at any time they want. It's that the names were gathered in FBI depositons and those files are sealed by judges preventing their release.

I only included the first paragraph to show that the names of the accused are being blocked by judges in NY. If victims don't want their names published that's understandable. But that's also part of the reason the judges won't unseal files I believe. Unsealing those depositions will put their names at risk of being publicized.
 
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LouderVol said:
his first argument is crap.

they are still victims no matter how old they are now, or when the crime happened.

plenty of reasons to withhold their names and protect them. It would 100% have a negative impact on their life knowing they were victims of Epstein.

How many people are comfortable letting their past embarrassments out? I bet this lawyer is not going over all the times he was bullied in middle school.
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If adult women are pimping themselves out, I wouldn't classify that as a "victim". If there were under-aged girls involved, that is a different matter. I would suggest reading the Maxwell deposition. (I am not saying Maxwell is 100% being honest but she is painting a different picture of the events in the 90s and early 00s at least)
 
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lawgator1 said:
There is already a fracture within MAGA over this and if the perception is that Trump/Bondi have engineered another block or delay of release of ALL the files, it will split it wide open.
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What are you even talking about...everyone that I know that is maga says release and if Trump is there then he is done...there is no split ..go your a dramatic one aren't you
 
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Vol8188 said:
The “MAGA fracture” has always been about Israel. That’s why it’s Massey and Jewish space lasers lady leading the charge. It’s why none of this was an issue until this summer when we got involved with Iran.
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Boebert? Massey?

And the problem now is tons of MAGAs have committed to this. Trump has said let it all out.

If that stalls and is traced to Bondi, per Trump's direction to do a criminal invest of others, I don't see people looking the other way.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
What are you even talking about...everyone that I know that is maga says release and if Trump is there then he is done...there is no split ..go your a dramatic one aren't you
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The question is, how far would he go to block it if he is in fact in there? Given the frailty of his ego it sure seems like he'd stop at basically nothing.
 
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