Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

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Jxn Vol said:
Sorry Trump blew up your supplier
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If the extrajudicial killing of these alleged coke traffickers is good for Americans’ health, why aren’t we using our military to bomb Anheuser Busch and Philip Morris?

Per CDC, annually:
~140,000 alcohol-related deaths in the US
~480,000 tobacco-related deaths in the US
~21,000 cocaine (largely fentanyl related) deaths in the US
 
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MontyPython said:
If the extrajudicial killing of these alleged coke traffickers is good for Americans’ health, why aren’t we using our military to bomb Anheuser Busch and Philip Morris?

Per CDC, annually:
~140,000 alcohol-related deaths in the US
~480,000 tobacco-related deaths in the US
~21,000 cocaine (largely fentanyl related) in the US
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Your just rehashing the gun vs car deaths arguments...
 
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MontyPython said:
If the extrajudicial killing of these alleged coke traffickers is good for Americans’ health, why aren’t we using our military to bomb Anheuser Busch and Philip Morris?

Per CDC, annually:
~140,000 alcohol-related deaths in the US
~480,000 tobacco-related deaths in the US
~21,000 cocaine (largely fentanyl related) deaths in the US
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Trump needs a Gulf of Tonkin fidget spinner for his base (re Epstein).
 
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MontyPython said:
But under the current circumstances, kill any suspected traffickers?
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I don't have a problem with it....I remember reading a few times that they confiscated drugs and detained people on the boats before blowing them up..and other they just blew up....I don't have all the intel they have and if your relying solely on the media reporting it your not gonna get an accurate reporting of facts..that's been proven.
Has there been an incident where they drugs and people were not seized, removed or verified?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I don't have a problem with it....I remember reading a few times that they confiscated drugs and detained people on the boats before blowing them up..and other they just blew up....I don't have all the intel they have and if your relying solely on the media reporting it your not gonna get an accurate reporting of facts..that's been proven.
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No trial. No evidence they threaten military action. Suspicion = death sentence.

Point is not whether they are actually trafficking. Point is we are militarizing what has traditionally been a civilian law enforcement manner.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No trial. No evidence they threaten military action. Suspicion = death sentence.

Point is not whether they are actually trafficking. Point is we are militarizing what has traditionally been a civilian law enforcement manner.
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Point is the people are detained and drugs seized for being in our waters. And the boats destroyed...no different then arresting people in a car with a bunch of drugs and assuming the Distribution of said drugs...difference is foreign criminals don't have the same rights as citizens. And if they are verified as part of gangs with a terrorist destination or foreign enemy then it's all good.....being a lawyer you should be better as this stuff and rely on the law and fact and on your emotions.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Point is the people are detained and drugs seized for being in our waters. And the boats destroyed...no different then arresting people in a car with a bunch of drugs and assuming the Distribution of said drugs...difference is foreign criminals don't have the same rights as citizens. And if they are verified as part of gangs with a terrorist destination or foreign enemy then it's all good.....being a lawyer you should be better as this stuff and rely on the law and fact and on your emotions.
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Who is doing the verifying you speak of, and how ? Gives the impression you simply accept the government's representations and defend military action based on it.

Not too long ago Republicans were against that. Now ???? Hmmmm....
 
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lawgator1 said:
Who is doing the verifying you speak of, and how ? Gives the impression you simply accept the government's representations and defend military action based on it.

Not too long ago Republicans were against that. Now ???? Hmmmm....
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Here the thing..we won't know because those operation against terrorist orgs are classified, so I less declassified we will never know publically. But logic tells us that more people smuggler were detained then killed and each incident has been handled individually. I trust the Coast guard make the correct call on verified information. My sister was in the coast guard she explained they verify everything possible before engaging a suspected smuggling boat.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Here the thing..we won't know because those operation against terrorist orgs are classified, so I less declassified we will never know publically. But logic tells us that more people smuggler were detained then killed and each incident has been handled individually. I trust the Coast guard make the correct call on verified information. My sister was in the coast guard she explained they verify everything possible before engaging a suspected smuggling boat.
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Convenient. THIS you believe.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Convenient. THIS you believe.
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Can you prove it wrong..I have more detained then killed..which tells me they are being looked at individually which shows a verification process...I'm sorry that logic doesn't seem to work for you....I trusted Obama killing that guy overseas till it was revealed he wasn't a terrorist but a us citizen..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I don't have a problem with it....I remember reading a few times that they confiscated drugs and detained people on the boats before blowing them up..and other they just blew up....I don't have all the intel they have and if your relying solely on the media reporting it your not gonna get an accurate reporting of facts..that's been proven.
Has there been an incident where they drugs and people were not seized, removed or verified?
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Verified? Trump admin has admitted they don't *know* Jack.

*Trust us*

Mhmmm.

So when Venezuela blows up one of our cruise ships because there is allegedly marijuana and other drugs on there, you'll be like, "Yep. I don't have a problem with that. Drugs! And the Venezuelan government told me that."

Did the Administration Admit It Cannot Verify Identities?

Yes, Trump administration officials have explicitly acknowledged in briefings and statements that they do not always positively identify individuals on targeted vessels before striking, nor do they release identities or evidence afterward. This admission underscores the operations' reliance on intelligence about boat patterns (e.g., routes or vessel types) rather than confirmed personal identities or onboard drugs.

Key admissions include:

Pentagon Briefing (October 2025): In a classified session with lawmakers, officials stated they "do not need to positively identify individuals on the vessel to do the strikes" and cannot meet the evidentiary standards required for prosecution if survivors are captured. One survivor from a Caribbean strike was detained briefly but released back to Venezuela due to lack of evidence.

Public Statements: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell have repeatedly described targets as "narco-terrorists" based on "intelligence confirmation" of vessel affiliations, but they have not provided specifics on identities. In one case, officials told CNN they "do not necessarily know the identities of the individuals aboard the vessels before they are targeted."

Congressional Reaction: Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-CA) summarized the briefing: "No proof. No trial. Just execution. That's murder." Similar concerns were raised by Senate Armed Services Committee leaders, who requested more details.

These admissions contrast with the administration's public claims. President Trump has posted videos of explosions on Truth Social, labeling victims as "Tren de Aragua Narcoterrorists" controlled by Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, but without supporting evidence like manifests or survivor testimonies.
 
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MontyPython said:
Verified? Trump admin has admitted they don't *know* Jack.

*Trust us*

Mhmmm.

Did the Administration Admit It Cannot Verify Identities?

Yes, Trump administration officials have explicitly acknowledged in briefings and statements that they do not always positively identify individuals on targeted vessels before striking, nor do they release identities or evidence afterward. This admission underscores the operations' reliance on intelligence about boat patterns (e.g., routes or vessel types) rather than confirmed personal identities or onboard drugs.

Key admissions include:

Pentagon Briefing (October 2025): In a classified session with lawmakers, officials stated they "do not need to positively identify individuals on the vessel to do the strikes" and cannot meet the evidentiary standards required for prosecution if survivors are captured. One survivor from a Caribbean strike was detained briefly but released back to Venezuela due to lack of evidence.

Public Statements: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell have repeatedly described targets as "narco-terrorists" based on "intelligence confirmation" of vessel affiliations, but they have not provided specifics on identities. In one case, officials told CNN they "do not necessarily know the identities of the individuals aboard the vessels before they are targeted."

Congressional Reaction: Rep. Sara Jacobs (D-CA) summarized the briefing: "No proof. No trial. Just execution. That's murder." Similar concerns were raised by Senate Armed Services Committee leaders, who requested more details.

These admissions contrast with the administration's public claims. President Trump has posted videos of explosions on Truth Social, labeling victims as "Tren de Aragua Narcoterrorists" controlled by Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, but without supporting evidence like manifests or survivor testimonies.
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Trump doesn't know.. probably doesn't care..the the coast guard and department of war do....ask your previous AI thia question.

Can you give me example of a friendly hostile threat

Because hostile actions are actions of an enemies...I'll bet I can give you the one and only example they provide and then show that person was smuggling drugs illegally.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Trump doesn't know.. probably doesn't care..the the coast guard and department of war do....ask your previous AI thia question.

Can you give me example of a friendly hostile threat

Because hostile actions are actions of an enemies...I'll bet I can give you the one and only example they provide and then show that person was smuggling drugs illegally.
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Read my post hun.

Again...

Pentagon Briefing (October 2025): In a classified session with lawmakers, officials stated they "do not need to positively identify individuals on the vessel to do the strikes" and cannot meet the evidentiary standards required for prosecution if survivors are captured. One survivor from a Caribbean strike was detained briefly but released back to Venezuela due to lack of evidence.

Public Statements: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell have repeatedly described targets as "narco-terrorists" based on "intelligence confirmation" of vessel affiliations, but they have not provided specifics on identities. In one case, officials told CNN they "do not necessarily know the identities of the individuals aboard the vessels before they are targeted."

And by the way it's still officially the Department of Defense - not some stupid moniker that the moronic Orange Menace applied.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Who is doing the verifying you speak of, and how ? Gives the impression you simply accept the government's representations and defend military action based on it.

Not too long ago Republicans were against that. Now ???? Hmmmm....
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The other side of the coin is that you have no clue.

I've spent a good deal of time in Mexico and seen/heard about the actions of the Cartels down there. Have you been to Latin America? Sat and listened to stories of the Cartels' actions? How they kidnap people to compel actions? Murder politicians? Use threats to rape peoples' kids to compel actions. Behead people and hang them off of overpasses to keep communities in fear and in line?

Make no mistake. The cartels are terrorists. They use unimaginable terror to gain, retain and further their power.

Hell, Mexico just had over 100,000 people take to the streets, including swarming the Mexico City palace in protest of the Mexican gov't allowing the cartel violence and preventing the USA from coming in and helping them clean it up. It's funny that soft US liberals sit in their comfortable chairs and whine about it, while those enduring it are begging the US to do more, and their gov't to help us.

It's no great leap to believe that the TdA Cartel live up to the criteria found on the Fed's website. I find no reason to suspect they are altar boys and that our gov't is inventing things to get them on that list. Until given reasons not to, I accept the government's representation and defend dealing with this FTO in the same way we've dealt with previous FTOs.

Though, I'm no Republican.
 
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MontyPython said:
If the extrajudicial killing of these alleged coke traffickers is good for Americans’ health, why aren’t we using our military to bomb Anheuser Busch and Philip Morris?

Per CDC, annually:
~140,000 alcohol-related deaths in the US
~480,000 tobacco-related deaths in the US
~21,000 cocaine (largely fentanyl related) deaths in the US
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Are they foreign organizations that are committing these things to expand power in an enterprise that is harming America?

Immigration and Nationality Act Section212​

Return to Foreign Terrorist Organization factsheet.

Section 212(a)(3)(B) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) defines "terrorist activity" to mean: any activity which is unlawful under the laws of the place where it is committed (or which, if committed in the United States, would be unlawful under the laws of the United States or any State) and which involves any of the following:

(I) The highjacking or sabotage of any conveyance (including an aircraft, vessel, or vehicle).
(II) The seizing or detaining, and threatening to kill, injure, or continue to detain, another individual in order to compel a third person (including a governmental organization) to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the individual seized or detained.
(III) A violent attack upon an internationally protected person (as defined in section 1116(b)(4) of title 18, United States Code) or upon the liberty of such a person.
(IV) An assassination.
(V) The use of any--
(a) biological agent, chemical agent, or nuclear weapon or device, or
(b) explosive, firearm, or other weapon or dangerous device (other than for mere personal monetary gain), with intent to endanger, directly or indirectly, the safety of one or more individuals or to cause substantial damage to property.
(VI) A threat, attempt, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.
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If so, put them on the list. If not, you have asked an incredibly ignorant question.
 
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