This ESPN/Disney deal sounds like it's getting ugly

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vollygirl said:
I would have told them to kick rocks, but I have a lot of conversations with my dad about Tennessee. And I decided yesterday I can't give that up. 😢
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It's interesting you say that, Volly, because truthfully I still keep up with Tennessee sports because my mom started to when I did so we'd have something to share together and talk about. She still does that. I honestly care very little about the results of these games now. Obviously it's more fun to win, but I don't get affected at all anymore by losses. I signed up for this.
 
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For all you non IG users:

ESPN app plays adds longer than the commercial breaks. After a few commercial breaks, you’ll find that you are several minutes behind the live game feed.
 
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adam.vol said:



For all you non IG users:

ESPN app plays adds longer than the commercial breaks. After a few commercial breaks, you’ll find that you are several minutes behind the live game feed.
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Kinda like these game streams on regular YouTube. The ads don't come during TV timeouts. When you get back to live action, you're a good bit behind the "live" feed. Still, it's better than not viewing the game at all thanks to the greed of Google and the demonic Disney.
 
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Hey Vol fans. You can probably buy tickets to every game and go see them live. I’d say $12,00-$15,000 would do it.
That is exactly how the university thinks of you. As a bank account they can draw from because you love watching them play. College is going corporate. That is the big money. Not the average blue collar working fan. Unless you buy / donate for season tickets, they just sell to ticket master and leave the fan to fend for themselves. If you think YouTube agrees and all is well, the next ESPN contract with the SEC will be bigger and then it starts again. Fans can’t have it both ways. You pay the talent fee whether you buy a ticket, or you pay it through the streaming services who pay ESPN for that big TV contract to pay these kids to play. The next wave is the universities paying athletes. Who do you think is actually going to pay them. This is the NFL.
 
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a vol n tears said:
Hey Vol fans. You can probably buy tickets to every game and go see them live. I’d say $12,00-$15,000 would do it.
That is exactly how the university thinks of you. As a bank account they can draw from because you love watching them play. College is going corporate. That is the big money. Not the average blue collar working fan. Unless you buy / donate for season tickets, they just sell to ticket master and leave the fan to fend for themselves. If you think YouTube agrees and all is well, the next ESPN contract with the SEC will be bigger and then it starts again. Fans can’t have it both ways. You pay the talent fee whether you buy a ticket, or you pay it through the streaming services who pay ESPN for that big TV contract to pay these kids to play. The next wave is the universities paying athletes. Who do you think is actually going to pay them. This is the NFL.
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The ticket FACE value for this Saturday's game in the upper north endzone is $75. In the case of this game you can find them for less than face value on the secondary market. The face value for Oklahoma was $160 and you couldn't buy one for less than $300. Please stop confusing the law of supply and demand in the secondary market for UT Athletic Dept greed. My season tickets are reasonably priced even with the required donation and "Talent" fee.
 
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I broke down and went back to the Disney, Hulu, ESPN bundle. Doesnt make me hate Disney any less, but we have allowed them to form a monopoly with sports. Someone should have seen this coming.
 
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maryvillenative said:
The ticket FACE value for this Saturday's game in the upper north endzone is $75. In the case of this game you can find them for less than face value on the secondary market. The face value for Oklahoma was $160 and you couldn't buy one for less than $300. Please stop confusing the law of supply and demand in the secondary market for UT Athletic Dept greed. My season tickets are reasonably priced even with the required donation and "Talent" fee.
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I clearly stated above “unless you buy season tickets”. And also what you consider reasonably priced is not what I (a retiree from a blue collar job who made decent money) consider reasonable. Everyone’s has different priorities. My wife is not a sports fan, so I wouldn’t spend $2000 (? No idea). to go see 7 football games by myself. In addition to 7-10 meals and gas. And my comment about the university not selling to fans is what I have encountered for every sport I try to buy tickets for. You are transferred to Ticket Master. Can’t buy at face values if you wanted. Yes supply and demand. I can buy at less than face value to watch the Vols play NM, after they have lost 3 games, and it will be at maybe 75% capacity until half. Thank you Ticket Master.

My complaint is actually how college sports, and Tenn since I pay Tenn taxes, uses my money, to support a state university, who is allowed to make it a business to pay players and based prices on paying players to have more money. Tuition prices have skyrocketed for years, however more and more money is being made by these schools.
Guess I was too simpleminded and was happy making a good living. You however worked harder and did well financially. I’m actually sincerely happy for you, I am, but don’t forget that the majority of fans are middle class earners. And as that class I hate what college sports has become.

I‘m not mad at you, and glad you get to enjoy watching live. However now these crazy network contracts are affecting we fans who already were priced out of live, to now get priced out of tv also. End of rant.
 
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a vol n tears said:
I clearly stated above “unless you buy season tickets”. And also what you consider reasonably priced is not what I (a retiree from a blue collar job who made decent money) consider reasonable. Everyone’s has different priorities. My wife is not a sports fan, so I wouldn’t spend $2000 (? No idea). to go see 7 football games by myself. In addition to 7-10 meals and gas. And my comment about the university not selling to fans is what I have encountered for every sport I try to buy tickets for. You are transferred to Ticket Master. Can’t buy at face values if you wanted. Yes supply and demand. I can buy at less than face value to watch the Vols play NM, after they have lost 3 games, and it will be at maybe 75% capacity until half. Thank you Ticket Master.

My complaint is actually how college sports, and Tenn since I pay Tenn taxes, uses my money, to support a state university, who is allowed to make it a business to pay players and based prices on paying players to have more money. Tuition prices have skyrocketed for years, however more and more money is being made by these schools.
Guess I was too simpleminded and was happy making a good living. You however worked harder and did well financially. I’m actually sincerely happy for you, I am, but don’t forget that the majority of fans are middle class earners. And as that class I hate what college sports has become.

I‘m not mad at you, and glad you get to enjoy watching live. However now these crazy network contracts are affecting we fans who already were priced out of live, to now get priced out of tv also. End of rant.
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One of the ways the athletic department works at Tennessee is that it is largely financially independent from the rest of the university, and certainly it is independent of public funds. If you're worried about how your taxpayer money is going to the players, it's simply not going to them. Even in the case of the Titans, Predators, and Grizzlies, who do use public money, that public money is going to the value of the team and hence to the owner (the whole reason they love public funding for their stadiums); the players are more than compensated by media distribution alone.

For the broader problem of getting priced out of attending the game, though, it doesn't matter what price the university sells the ticket at if it's going for $300 on the secondary market. The ticket is $300 whether that price is getting paid to the university or a middleman. The fans are getting priced out by the sheer popularity of the team, given that a capacity of over 100k can't drive the price down.

Tennessee men's basketball is playing a game in Syracuse next month and I can grab a ticket for $23 on the secondary market. The Orange are a fairly popular team but they can't sell 30k tickets for a nonconference game, so the ticket price is reasonable.
 
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jtdavis said:
I broke down and went back to the Disney, Hulu, ESPN bundle. Doesnt make me hate Disney any less, but we have allowed them to form a monopoly with sports. Someone should have seen this coming.
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I did the same. Honestly, since I only used YTTB for sports I am actually saving $50 a month cancelling it and going to the ESPN app. The ESPN app has been fine.
 
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a vol n tears said:
I clearly stated above “unless you buy season tickets”. And also what you consider reasonably priced is not what I (a retiree from a blue collar job who made decent money) consider reasonable. Everyone’s has different priorities. My wife is not a sports fan, so I wouldn’t spend $2000 (? No idea). to go see 7 football games by myself. In addition to 7-10 meals and gas. And my comment about the university not selling to fans is what I have encountered for every sport I try to buy tickets for. You are transferred to Ticket Master. Can’t buy at face values if you wanted. Yes supply and demand. I can buy at less than face value to watch the Vols play NM, after they have lost 3 games, and it will be at maybe 75% capacity until half. Thank you Ticket Master.

My complaint is actually how college sports, and Tenn since I pay Tenn taxes, uses my money, to support a state university, who is allowed to make it a business to pay players and based prices on paying players to have more money. Tuition prices have skyrocketed for years, however more and more money is being made by these schools.
Guess I was too simpleminded and was happy making a good living. You however worked harder and did well financially. I’m actually sincerely happy for you, I am, but don’t forget that the majority of fans are middle class earners. And as that class I hate what college sports has become.

I‘m not mad at you, and glad you get to enjoy watching live. However now these crazy network contracts are affecting we fans who already were priced out of live, to now get priced out of tv also. End of rant.
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I agree about streaming services and expect it to get worse. I am 100% a middle class earner and understand how you feel about some things, but there are others that you just don't have right. My season tickets cost $872 each all in (tickets, taxes, donation, and talent fee), not even close to $2k. You could have bought Vandy tickets from the ticket office until earlier this week. As someone explained in a better way than I can, the athletic department is basically independent of the academic side of the school and your tax dollars aren't paying players. I'm actually happy the demand and prices are crazy because that means we're winning more and the games are actually fun to watch. I vividly remember the pain (and cheap seats) of the Dooley - Pruitt years.
 
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kckempf said:
One of the ways the athletic department works at Tennessee is that it is largely financially independent from the rest of the university, and certainly it is independent of public funds. If you're worried about how your taxpayer money is going to the players, it's simply not going to them. Even in the case of the Titans, Predators, and Grizzlies, who do use public money, that public money is going to the value of the team and hence to the owner (the whole reason they love public funding for their stadiums); the players are more than compensated by media distribution alone.

For the broader problem of getting priced out of attending the game, though, it doesn't matter what price the university sells the ticket at if it's going for $300 on the secondary market. The ticket is $300 whether that price is getting paid to the university or a middleman. The fans are getting priced out by the sheer popularity of the team, given that a capacity of over 100k can't drive the price down.

Tennessee men's basketball is playing a game in Syracuse next month and I can grab a ticket for $23 on the secondary market. The Orange are a fairly popular team but they can't sell 30k tickets for a nonconference game, so the ticket price is reasonable.
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Thank you for the information. I understand athletics is separate from the school budgets. There was an issue several years ago when the school chancellor or president wanted more money from the athletic budget to be used for the school budget.
I am just a simple college sports fans who hates to see it being turned into a business. Tenn is not competing against any other school to keep Vol fans. As you stated they already a huge demand for tickets And had even in the down years. If Tenn wins a NC or goes 7-5 8-4. 9-3. Or 10-2 it is the same. I love the game. My attitude is strange because I am a supply / demand guy. If it is a business, use your money to build it. Not ask for NIL donations. It is my issue. Apparently everyone else is happy. Thanks again
 
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a vol n tears said:
Thank you for the information. I understand athletics is separate from the school budgets. There was an issue several years ago when the school chancellor or president wanted more money from the athletic budget to be used for the school budget.
I am just a simple college sports fans who hates to see it being turned into a business. Tenn is not competing against any other school to keep Vol fans. As you stated they already a huge demand for tickets And had even in the down years. If Tenn wins a NC or goes 7-5 8-4. 9-3. Or 10-2 it is the same. I love the game. My attitude is strange because I am a supply / demand guy. If it is a business, use your money to build it. Not ask for NIL donations. It is my issue. Apparently everyone else is happy. Thanks again
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Back when we fired Fulmer the AD had been giving several million dollars a year to the school, but that came to be a problem when we needed a cash reserve, not just for changing coaches but also for unexpected expenses. I don't know if we'll see a detailed account but I would not be surprised if a lot of hard work in building the reserve helped the department survive the pandemic lockdown with enough flexibility to hire new coaches in multiple sports and get right back into facilities upgrades. Improving facilities improves attendance and recruiting, which improves performance, which improves attendance and recruiting -- it's a perpetuating flywheel but it's not a simple thing to get it going.
 
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It sill doesn't include ESPN Unlimited like many other providers do, until the end of next year, which is disappointing.
 
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Freak said:
It sill doesn't include ESPN Unlimited like many other providers do, until the end of next year, which is disappointing.
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I believe I read early on in the negotiations that both sides had already agreed that ESPN Unlimited would be included in the final settlement.
 
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BDHVOL said:
I believe I read early on in the negotiations that both sides had already agreed that ESPN Unlimited would be included in the final settlement.
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I think that's true but I read it won't be included until late 2026. I hope it's sooner.
 
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I’m glad this situation finally was resolved. Fortunately this outage occurred at a time when I had several vacation days, a week long work conference, and deer hunted on the weekends so I wasn’t in front of the tv too much. What games I missed I listened to on the radio live or caught replays through other means.
 
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