Israel vs Palestinians II

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Orangeslice13 said:
Hamas used the entire population as a shield. They shot their own people for trying to get out of the way. There’s absolutely nothing you can make up and blame Israel for that comes anywhere near that.
That’s the people who you support

And it’s war. Innocence is irrelevant to who is responsible for all the death and destruction. The innocent and guilty are all dead because of Hamas
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The pivot from "Israel is so moral because they don't use human shields, like Hamas" to "Israel actually uses more human shields than anyone, but you have to support them or you love terrorism" is not going to resonate with anyone lol
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You apologized for it but you still called the things that happened to my innocent friend spamming
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No, I said that about you saying it every 10th post, not about "the things that happened to her". Like I said, I didn't realize it was your friend and wouldn't say that if I had, but "spamming" being in reference to "the things that happened to her" is a little misleading IMO
 
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Vol8188 said:
He was also against evacuation of civilians from Gaza City
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from the beginning I’ve said the same things over and over.
It’s funny to watch the Hamas supporters, who know that they support the worst filth of humanity, try to spin their hatred of the Jews into false equivalence.
They know they’re on the wrong side because this is the reaction you get every time you point out who’s side they’re on.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The pivot from "Israel is so moral because they don't use human shields, like Hamas" to "Israel actually uses more human shields than anyone, but you have to support them or you love terrorism" is not going to resonate with anyone lol
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Israel is absolutely the moral high ground of this 2 sided conflict. It’s not close or debatable
 
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NashVol11 said:
No, I said that about you saying it every 10th post, not about "the things that happened to her". Like I said, I didn't realize it was your friend and wouldn't say that if I had, but "spamming" being in reference to "the things that happened to her" is a little misleading IMO
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I mistook your apology as sincere
So you’re not sorry that you referred to the display of an innocent young dead naked woman, bleeding from her ass as a war trophy …..as spamming?

You’re just sorry that I knew her?

Ya, your concern for the innocent is impressive
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I mistook your apology as sincere
So you’re not sorry that you referred to the display of an innocent young dead naked woman, bleeding from her ass as a war trophy …..as spamming?

You’re just sorry that I knew her?

Ya, your concern for the innocent is impressive
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This is a weird thing to take from a post where I said, again, that I wouldn't have said it if I knew it were your friend. If it were someone you had no connection to, there are a whole lot of Hind Rajabs on the other side of this conflict that have been brought up and dismissed by you, so it would be quite a double standard
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
They know they’re on the wrong side because this is the reaction you get every time you point out who’s side they’re on.
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More and more desperately spiraling into "you either support Israel and their genocide or you love terrorism" is definitely not a reaction you would see from someone on the wrong side lol
 
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one side shoots their own to prevent them from getting out of the way of the fight that they started.
The other side is defending their citizens from an enemy that attacks women and children then hides behind their own women and children.

Israel has the moral high ground in any debate.
 
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purp said:
Why does it seem like this has to be an Option A or Option B only when there's an Option C ( the hell with both of them )?
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Option c is a legitimate choice.
@YankeeVol holds that position.
And I can absolutely be on board with option C from a payment perspective. We (the USA taxpayers) should not pay for anything. Not the war. Not the rebuild. Nothing.
 
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EasternVol said:
Completely wrong. There are factions in Gaza and the rest of Palestine. There are factions in Israel. Hamas got a lot of support from Israel so is supporting Israel supporting hamas?

Right and wrong are never irrelevant. One who pontificates so much on religion should know that.

It was started long before 7 Oct. as a land grab. What does the side that 'doesn't' do?
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To your first point, Israel is responsible for Gaza, Gaza elected Hamas as its leadership. Supporting Hamas is supporting Gaza's elected leadership. Is this abnormal or am I missing something?

Every time Israel has been attacked military they take land from those who've attacked them. You'd think smarter, cooler mind would prevail and stop attacking them, it never seems to end well.
 
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KB5252 said:
To your first point, Israel is responsible for Gaza, Gaza elected Hamas as its leadership. Supporting Hamas is supporting Gaza's elected leadership. Is this abnormal or am I missing something?
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If someone in the U.S. supports civilians in Gaza, not even Hamas, they get accused of "supporting Hamas" and therefore supporting terrorism. If Israel literally, directly, financially supports Hamas, then they are merely supporting Gaza's elected leadership, but of course not its terrorism. Hell of a double standard
 
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People said the death toll was fake because the numbers (backed up by Israel) came from the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas. It makes sense that it is, because Hamas is the government of Gaza. But when Israel supporters want to say the death toll is fake, then "Hamas as government" goes out the window, and we are back to "Hamas as terrorist group." But if Israel supports Hamas, then we switch from "Hamas as terrorist group" back to "Hamas as government." Constantly moving goalposts
 
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NashVol11 said:
If someone in the U.S. supports civilians in Gaza, not even Hamas, they get accused of "supporting Hamas" and therefore supporting terrorism. If Israel literally, directly, financially supports Hamas, then they are merely supporting Gaza's elected leadership, but of course not its terrorism. Hell of a double standard
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Israel is obligated to support Gaza. American citizens are not, furthermore Hamas was the elected, and still curiously remains a popular, representative of Gazans (I'm not sure why), if you support Gazans you are in at least some sense supporting their elected government. Much the same way as there is backlash toward Americans abroad for electing Trump.

Coincidentally if Americans support Israel they are called Zionists. The knife cuts both ways.
 
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NashVol11 said:
People said the death toll was fake because the numbers (backed up by Israel) came from the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas. It makes sense that it is, because Hamas is the government of Gaza. But when Israel supporters want to say the death toll is fake, then "Hamas as government" goes out the window, and we are back to "Hamas as terrorist group." But if Israel supports Hamas, then we switch from "Hamas as terrorist group" back to "Hamas as government." Constantly moving goalposts
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The goalposts don't move. They can be the elected government and be a terrorist organization at the same time. One is not mutually exclusive to the other.
 
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KB5252 said:
The goalposts don't move. They can be the elected government and be a terrorist organization at the same time. One is not mutually exclusive to the other.
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They shift constantly. Hamas is "the government" when Israel supports them, but then when a doctor or journalist is killed by Israel, the justification (usually a lie anyway) is "they're Hamas." That should just mean they're officials of the elected government, right? No, of course it means they're terrorists. But if Israel supports those same terrorists, they're just supporting the government
 
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KB5252 said:
if you support Gazans you are in at least some sense supporting their elected government. Much the same way as there is backlash toward Americans abroad for electing Trump.
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Also no, not at all. Saying civilians don't deserve to be killed by Israel isn't supporting Gaza's government. No conservative will say that all American civilians deserve backlash because some of them elected Trump.
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Coincidentally if Americans support Israel they are called Zionists. The knife cuts both ways.
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Those people are in fact Zionists. I don't think that is the knife cutting both ways, that is what they are
 
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I’m good with that.
You’re both right.
Anyone supporting Israel is a Zionist and anyone supporting Gaza is a Hamas terriorist.
 
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NashVol11 said:
People said the death toll was fake because the numbers (backed up by Israel) came from the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas. It makes sense that it is, because Hamas is the government of Gaza. But when Israel supporters want to say the death toll is fake, then "Hamas as government" goes out the window, and we are back to "Hamas as terrorist group." But if Israel supports Hamas, then we switch from "Hamas as terrorist group" back to "Hamas as government." Constantly moving goalposts
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Or what adults would call nuance. The reality of Hamas isn’t black and white and you can find numerous articles pre October 7th about people wanting to delist Hamas as a terrorist organization because they had been relatively quiet on that front.

So yes, aiding the the Palestinian government pre-October 7th is far less absurd than continuing to believe propaganda from that same regime today
 
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