Israel vs Palestinians II

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Orangeslice13 said:
There are two possible people to support in this fight. Israel and Hamas. Nobody else
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Completely wrong. There are factions in Gaza and the rest of Palestine. There are factions in Israel. Hamas got a lot of support from Israel so is supporting Israel supporting hamas?
Orangeslice13 said:
Guilt and innocence are irrelevant. Their leaders are responsible for the hell they bring on their people. It’s as simple as that.
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Right and wrong are never irrelevant. One who pontificates so much on religion should know that.
Orangeslice13 said:
One side murders their own while hiding from the fight they started and the other doesn’t
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It was started long before 7 Oct. as a land grab. What does the side that 'doesn't' do?
 
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EasternVol said:
Completely wrong. There are factions in Gaza and the rest of Palestine. There are factions in Israel. Hamas got a lot of support from Israel so is supporting Israel supporting hamas?

Right and wrong are never irrelevant. One who pontificates so much on religion should know that.

It was started long before 7 Oct. as a land grab. What does the side that 'doesn't' do?
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You can twist and you can turn but there are only 2 sides.
One started it with the attack on 10/07 and the other has responded. It could have all been avoided. It could have ended a year or more ago if the hostages had been freed. Hell if they didn’t take any to begin with it would have been way different.

There’s one side to blame for all the death and destruction and that’s the shitbags that came out from hiding behind their people at the ceasefire to shoot the people they were hiding behind. That’s the side you are firmly on.
I’ll gladly stand with Israel. The side that stands in front of their citizens to defend them.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You can twist and you can turn but there are only 2 sides.
One started it with the attack on 10/07 and the other has responded. It could have all been avoided. It could have ended a year or more ago if the hostages had been freed. Hell if they didn’t take any to begin with it would have been way different.

There’s one side to blame for all the death and destruction and that’s the shitbags that came out from hiding behind their people at the ceasefire to shoot the people they were hiding behind. That’s the side you are firmly on.
I’ll gladly stand with Israel. The side that stands in front of their citizens to defend them.
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That's just more of your outright lies and imaginary reality. Outright lies like claiming anyone posting here supports hamas. Imaginary reality like those aiming and firing aren't responsible for the results of their actions.
I'll stand by my earlier comments.
 
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EasternVol said:
Which Islamic state gives citizenship or residency based on religion?
Looking forward to your reply.
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I may be misunderstanding your post, but I don’t think you have to be a Jew, either observant or non-observant, to be a citizen of Israel. I know you don’t have to be to be a resident of Israel.

I think the principle that Israel is a “Jewish state” is just as fair as the notion that predominantly-Muslim states are “Muslim-states.” Similarly, the US, and many western nations, are “Christian nations,” even if the actions of many, or most, within those nations are anything but.

I am missing something in your post?
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I may be misunderstanding your post, but I don’t think you have to be a Jew, either observant or non-observant, to be a citizen of Israel. I know you don’t have to be to be a resident of Israel.

I think the principle that Israel is a “Jewish state” is just as fair as the notion that predominantly-Muslim states are “Muslim-states.” Similarly, the US, and many western nations, are “Christian nations,” even if the actions of many, or most, within those nations are anything but.

I am missing something in your post?
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You're apparently missing Israel's Law of Return and the lack of an equivalent in other countries.
 
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EasternVol said:
You're apparently missing Israel's Law of Return and the lack of an equivalent in other countries.
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Yes, but the Law of Return, while it might grant special privileges to a class of people, doesn’t prevent other classes from becoming citizens or having citizenship. It is just one of many ways to become a citizen.

I suspect predominately Islamic states have rules on how people become citizens of their countries, some of which may be different than Israel’s, the US, or other nations.

Each country should be able to determine who can become a citizen of their country and how that happens. Do you view it otherwise?
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Yes, but the Law of Return, while it might grant special privileges to a class of people, doesn’t prevent other classes from becoming citizens or having citizenship. It is just one of many ways to become a citizen.

I suspect predominately Islamic states have rules on how people become citizens of their countries, some of which may be different than Israel’s, the US, or other nations.

Each country should be able to determine who can become a citizen of their country and how that happens. Do you view it otherwise?
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You're moving away from the point. You may want to look at @MAD 's (still no reply?) post 4547 and my reply to it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
There’s one side to blame for all the death and destruction and that’s the shitbags that came out from hiding behind their people at the ceasefire to shoot the people they were hiding behind. That’s the side you are firmly on.
I’ll gladly stand with Israel. The side that stands in front of their citizens to defend them.
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Israel uses more human shields than anyone else. Even called it the "mosquito protocol"
 
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One group is forcing captured Hamas members to go first into the buildings and tunnels first. These same people have been crying the IDF should have been clearing these buildings and tunnels with soldiers rather than bombs.

Meanwhile Hamas intentionally builds their military infrastructure under schools, mosques, etc.

Anyone trying to draw this pathetic moral equivalence or worse proclaim it’s in fact Israel who uses “more human shields than anyone else” is not only the most pathetic type of liar imaginable.

But is 100% carrying water for Hamas and doing so intentionally. Along with anyone who would show their support for such comments.
 
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Vol8188 said:
One group is forcing captured Hamas members to go first into the buildings and tunnels first. These same people have been crying the IDF should have been clearing these buildings and tunnels with soldiers rather than bombs.

Meanwhile Hamas intentionally builds their military infrastructure under schools, mosques, etc.

Anyone trying to draw this pathetic moral equivalence or worse proclaim it’s in fact Israel who uses “more human shields than anyone else” is not only the most pathetic type of liar imaginable.

But is 100% carrying water for Hamas and doing so intentionally. Along with anyone who would show their support for such comments.
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"Captured Hamas members"
As part of this policy, soldiers have ordered Palestinian civilians to remove suspicious objects from roads, to tell people to come out of their homes so the military can arrest them, to stand in front of soldiers while the latter shoot from behind them, and more. The Palestinian civilians were chosen at random for these tasks, and could not refuse the demand placed on them by armed soldiers.
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Someone's mad their 2 years screaming about "human shields" ended with Israel being by far the worst offender
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Yes, but the Law of Return, while it might grant special privileges to a class of people, doesn’t prevent other classes from becoming citizens or having citizenship. It is just one of many ways to become a citizen.

I suspect predominately Islamic states have rules on how people become citizens of their countries, some of which may be different than Israel’s, the US, or other nations.

Each country should be able to determine who can become a citizen of their country and how that happens. Do you view it otherwise?
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For example
In Gaza it’s illegal for Jews to own property but in Israel Arabs ….especially those from Gaza can be equal citizens
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
More false information and false equivalency from the terrorist supporters
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They said it themselves. You are becoming more of a "no one in Gaza is innocent, everything that isn't pro-Israel propaganda is Hamas" weirdo Ben Gvir type as we go
“You send the human shield underground. As he walks down the tunnel, he maps it all for you. He has an iPhone in his vest and as he walks it sends back GPS information,” says Daniel, the tank commander, says in the documentary. “The commanders saw how it works. And the practice spread like wildfire. After about a week, every company was operating its own mosquito.”
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Hamas used the entire population as a shield. They shot their own people for trying to get out of the way. There’s absolutely nothing you can make up and blame Israel for that comes anywhere near that.
That’s the people who you support

And it’s war. Innocence is irrelevant to who is responsible for all the death and destruction. The innocent and guilty are all dead because of Hamas
 
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You don’t give a **** about the innocent.
You’ve never cared about the innocent.

You apologized for it but you still called the things that happened to my innocent friend spamming
 
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