If you are not paying attention to what is happening in the Big 10, then you don't realize how close this sport is to dying

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Clad in Big Orange said:
And the current state of the sport isn't all that likable with the NIL portal chaos. I'm slowly trying to ween myself from caring after a lifetime of being too vested in it.
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Well I've said it before and might as well keep that broken record skipping. I never watch on TV anymore. And I only listen now, because Mike Keith is worth the time. (End of the Bob bash in this post, I promise.)

What did me in was the targeting rule. And the fact that right along side this rule being pushed down our throats, all of a sudden these different competing betting sites start popping up everywhere. Some may think it a coincidence. And some may enjoy the taste of it. Not for me.

So the fact that things are continuing to dive head first into the absurd? No surprise here.
 
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Danny Dollars said:
I know this could go in the NCAA forum, but it really does pertain to Tennessee football in a big way.

Right now, the Big 10 is trying to open up the ability for private equity companies to invest into their conference. Only Michigan and USC are in opposition of this, while the other 14/16 have signed off. Why does this matter to you, your love of Tennessee football, and college athletics in general?

Because once private equity is involved, this sport is dead. It isn't some boogy man either; PE will do everything it can to push profitability to the max so they can get a return on their investment. To this point, college sports have been run on revenue from events/TV, donations, and product partnerships. While companies like Pilot want ROI, it is not a specific number they are looking for. Their ROI is seeing the brand on the field and the skybox by 100k fans a game + the millions at home.

PE will demand profit. This will mean every little thing will be monetized at some point. Vol Walk? Paid admission for the front row. Tickets? Even more expensive. All those extra non revenue generating sports? Dead, useless, because they don't make the almighty dollar for our private equity overlords.

This is a deal with the devil that officially kills this sport. If the Big 10 does this, the SEC will follow as we are in an arms race against them.

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Board Members Mount Challenge to Big Ten Investment Deal

There is talk of litigation, and one Big Ten board member suggested state or federal lawmakers could get involved.
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Who cares? Once these players started getting paid the sport we all love was put in hospice care.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yeah - it makes all the sense in the world why a pension (which is essentially what UC is, much more so than a PE firm) would want to enter into a deal like this. It also makes sense why some of the Big Ten's member schools, particularly the big ones (like Michigan) would have reservations about it.

It's also really interesting to me that one of the member schools in the University of California system is, of course, Cal, who is a Big Ten member itself. I know the media rights payments UC owns are going to their investors and not to Cal, but still an interesting detail.
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The Cal connection seems weird but something weird coming out of Berkeley shouldn't surprise anyone.

And your explanation makes it reasonably innocuous to me. I don't know what it says about the B1G cash issues but I'm doubtful the NFL sells pieces of their media rights because the league is healthy.
 
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I'm guessing that if this happens, the coaching carousel will become even worse than it is now. Coach can't win enough games, fire them and bring in someone else. So it goes in business, so it will go in college athletics.
 
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I just want to know when and who will be the first school to realize coaches are valuable BUT are paid way too much. Who will be first to hire a coach for 1 million and put the other 9 to ?" million for buying players. The roster with the biggest payroll will win. ( assuming they buy talent)
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The Cal connection seems weird but something weird coming out of Berkeley shouldn't surprise anyone.

And your explanation makes it reasonably innocuous to me. I don't know what it says about the B1G cash issues but I'm doubtful the NFL sells pieces of their media rights because the league is healthy.
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It's thought that the deal is kind of a bailout to some of the smaller schools in the conference. Ohio St, Michigan, etc. aren't as interested in this as a lot of the smaller schools are.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's thought that the deal is kind of a bailout to some of the smaller schools in the conference. Ohio St, Michigan, etc. aren't as interested in this as a lot of the smaller schools are.
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Yeah, and that makes sense, but band-aids are not going to fix the issues of the B1G having a bunch of dead weight schools.

When the inevitable split from the NCAA happens and the "super conference" forms, both the SEC and B1G are going to have to make business, not tradition, decisions if they want that super conference to succeed.
 
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How the Big Ten Spent Its Way Into a $2 Billion Dilemma​

Who is paying for all this?
The answer to that question might be the University of California Pension System, if the school is in the Big Ten. That conference is nearing a decision on whether to partner with UC Pension System and accept a $2 billion-plus injection of private capital, in exchange for granting it a 10% stake in a new entity, Big Ten Enterprises, which would house the league’s television rights and sponsorship deals.

That’s hardly a risk-free, problem-free deal for universities to make. But adding the new, line-item expense of up to $20.5 million annually in direct payments to athletes has college administrators around the country scrambling for new revenue sources. This is the Big Ten’s preferred panacea of the moment, although there is pushback from league members Michigan and USC.
One of the primary stated reasons for the Big Ten to enter into the private capital deal is an onerous amount of athletic facility debt on many of its campuses. That’s a real problem—and it’s the product of overextending to compete in the recruiting arms race. For years, when one school added a new bell or whistle, everyone else scrambled to build its own bell or whistle—only bigger and better.
 
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Yeah, man…nothing says broken sport quite like people paying record prices on the secondary market and packed stadiums and huge TV ratings…sport’s clearly on its last legs
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Yeah, man…nothing says broken sport quite like people paying record prices on the secondary market and packed stadiums and huge TV ratings…sport’s clearly on its last legs
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Stadiums aren’t packed though…. Price fixing is happening and tv ratings are up because of the previous!

The PE component will absolutely destroy it….

I gave up NFL a few years ago and still am a Vol season ticket holder however we are nearly burnt out on all the absurdity of it all, and may not renew next year, and certainly not in two years.

Once you you replace those events with family, friends, and other recreational experiences, stadium sports lose their appeal! And I also say this living in Florida regularly attended (ing) pro sports football baseball hockey: they’ve all become stale and recycling the same gimmicks. Copy cat institutional programming…. You know about the “bread and circuses” right?!?!
 
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dobre_shunka said:
I wonder now that the war in Gaza is over if Greta Thunberg's new cause wil be saving college football? Just imagine her leading a flotilla up the Tennessee River to the Calhoun's .
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How many other engineers we got on this board?

I'm sure we could come up with a simple sub to add to the Vol Navy lol.

Sink her ship then head back in for another beer
 
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vavolfan6 said:
B1G 10 is ruining college football. They tore apart the Pac 12 and have a conference that spans from coast to coast. Eventually we will have to go to a salary cap to stop them from selling their soul to compete with the SEC.
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USC & UCLa realize they screwed up bad. Nobody has any interest in their games out there. I predicted it would be 10 years but it’s taken 2. Unfortunately once you become a whore for the $ you can’t go back. They’ve sold themselves & if they sell to PE, they’re done.
 
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beachvol23 said:
Stadiums aren’t packed though…. Price fixing is happening and tv ratings are up because of the previous!

The PE component will absolutely destroy it….

I gave up NFL a few years ago and still am a Vol season ticket holder however we are nearly burnt out on all the absurdity of it all, and may not renew next year, and certainly not in two years.

Once you you replace those events with family, friends, and other recreational experiences, stadium sports lose their appeal! And I also say this living in Florida regularly attended (ing) pro sports football baseball hockey: they’ve all become stale and recycling the same gimmicks. Copy cat institutional programming…. You know about the “bread and circuses” right?!?!
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So quit crying and don’t go…do the other stuff you’re so proud of…I see packed stadiums every Saturday while you’re playing monopoly with the family, and tons of people all over the country paying $250 to go to games in packed stadiums and healthy tv audiences…hardly signs of a sport in trouble…this is several yrs into the same NIL you said would destroy it. Hilarious
 
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I’m surprised that the Big 10 wanted to be first at something. They’ve been so successful at one-upping Greg Sankey. It doesn’t make sense to break from that strategy now.

Watch this: The B1G put this story out about a month ago to give Sankey’s little weasel brain a chance to try to be first at it. Once he’s sold everything he can, the Big 10 will make sure they have a better deal.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You lost me at Congress. As we've seen, they are close to useless these days.

Besides, they have 30+ trillion dollars worth of better stuff to do than fix college football.
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And 'close' left the barn quite some time ago.

The only thing Congress has proven it can fix is more perks and job security for themselves.
 
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