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LSU-SIU said:
What is the reason why test scores have declined?
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You should make that reason plural.

Why is our life expectancy (the ultimate measure of health) so comparatively low when our health care system is so good?

As you answer that question, you will also be answering the question you asked me.
 
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LouderVol said:
which shows how we aren't capitalistic. or anywhere particularly close.

socialism enforces some level of equality, which would be restrictive of the 1A.
property rights covers the 2A, 3A, 4A, 9A, and probably the 10A.
socialism will tend to struggle with the 5A, and 6A, when the greater good starts to override individual protections. that would also pretty quickly intrude on 9 and 10 too.

a socialist society/economy doesn't require a full blown authoritarian government; but it also is compatible with a full blown authoritarian government. something that capitalism is not.
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I would say that Pinochet was a full blown authoritarian who made Chile into a capitalist nation
 
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luthervol said:
What you say has not been my experience................not even remotely.....and I've been in education 30+ years.
I'm not sure who has been propagandized.
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Would you agree with or deny that the goal of our education system is to prepare students for college?

If that's the case, I'm not sure who could disagree, we are failing students, many of which do not need to go to college, in fact it's in their best interest no to. Our first went to college, it was not in his best interest to do so, I tried to tell my wife but she was dead set on it, and I understand why to an extent but she was too close, to emotional in the decision to see the big picture. He's now saddled with high student loan debt he can't get ahead of.

If a student does not know what they want to do college isn't for them. He thought maybe an air force pilot. I told her his best path was likely ANG or Air Force then go to school for degree with it being payed for. Instead he decided that wasn't for him and he's stuck in dead end jobs he has to take to provide.

My daughter wants to be a teacher, makes sense for her, it's required for obvious reasons.
 
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luthervol said:
You should make that reason plural.

Why is our life expectancy (the ultimate measure of health) so comparatively low when our health care system is so good?

As you answer that question, you will also be answering the question you asked me.
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One of the biggest reasons is our politicians/government are bribed for the privilege to poison us.
 
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allstar34bd said:
People being lazy and morbidly obese isn’t a failure on the Health Care System. Our population is fat, lazy, and dependent.
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Real talk.

The Viagra medical breakthrough of now is weight loss injections. Like old men on the blue pill in the 90’s, everyone from obese to stay at home moms in the burbs loving the GLP-1 as the quick fix.
 
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KB5252 said:
Would you agree with or deny that the goal of our education system is to prepare students for college?
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It's one of the goals. Our district has a lot of career readiness avenues. Mechanics, HVAC, electrical, welding, culinary, cosmetology....etc..
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If that's the case, I'm not sure who could disagree, we are failing students, many of which do not need to go to college, in fact it's in their best interest no to. Our first went to college, it was not in his best interest to do so, I tried to tell my wife but she was dead set on it, and I understand why to an extent but she was too close, to emotional in the decision to see the big picture. He's now saddled with high student loan debt he can't get ahead of.
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College is not a necessary step to success. We try to give students options.
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If a student does not know what they want to do college isn't for them. He thought maybe an air force pilot. I told her his best path was likely ANG or Air Force then go to school for degree with it being payed for. Instead he decided that wasn't for him and he's stuck in dead end jobs he has to take to provide.
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About 50% of our graduates go to college.
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My daughter wants to be a teacher, makes sense for her, it's required for obvious reasons.
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I wish her the best. It is a noble profession despite what many say.
 
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luthervol said:
The same as people choosing to be stupid isn't a failure of the Public Education System.

And that is my point.
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True, people choosing to be stupid is not the fault of the public education system. Normalizing their decision and catering to it IS the fault of the public education system.
 
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hog88 said:
True, people choosing to be stupid is not the fault of the public education system. Normalizing their decision and catering to it IS the fault of the public education system.
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The degree to which that is done (which is much less than you believe), is more a reflection of the society in which the system exists.
 
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luthervol said:
The same as people choosing to be stupid isn't a failure of the Public Education System.

And that is my point.
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Schools can be a helpful tool, in some cases it can be a dangerous tool, and in many cases it can be a waste of time (and resources). For the most part, people (and kids) have to be willing to teach themselves, schools/teachers are just tools to hopefully help.
 
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hog88 said:
Education is supposed to better society isn't it?
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Yes, and it does.
Society would be far worse off in the absence of public education.

But the state of public education is much more a reflection of society than is society a reflection of public education.
 
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luthervol said:
Yes, and it does.
Society would be far worse off in the absence of public education.

But the state of public education is much more a reflection of society than is society being a reflection of public education.
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I agree that an educated society is better than a non-educated society. Shouldn't public education be better than the society it's educating and not mirroring it's flaws?
 
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luthervol said:
Yes, and it does.
Society would be far worse off in the absence of public education.

But the state of public education is much more a reflection of society than is society a reflection of public education.
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Many maybe not all would say society has gotten worse since public education has increased scale. Now, we have to find cause and effect let alone determine what is "better". More plastic junk, sure. Better life, not so sure about all that.
 
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