If you are not paying attention to what is happening in the Big 10, then you don't realize how close this sport is to dying

#76
#76
Even worse -- they will split off the football team into an LLC, which will isolate it from any sort of reporting or oversight. (Not that there’s a lot now.) They’ll charge the university a fee to run the program, but there will be no way for anyone -- not you, not reporters, not even the administration -- to know where that money is going or how it’s being used.

Or, they will leverage the value of the football team to take out large loans (through the LLC), then take their $$$ and give the football program back to the university with a ___-load of debt.

Surely anyone with (a) a love of college football and (b) a brain can see what a bad idea this is.
I was educated in this thread that the B1G has created an LLC to contain the conference media rights and that's what PE bought into.

That makes sense because that's an asset that will appreciate without really giving PE a piece of the schools. PE is just betting the 10% of the media rights they paid for will appreciate.

While ugly, that's a decent financial instrument for the B1G to leverage.
 
#77
#77
Pro sports are a better product, and lower divisions will have more of what made college football special once this is all done. The writing is on the wall that it's time for the average fan to move on from big time D1.

These players, coaches, and especially conference and tv execs and their ilk do not deserve your hard-earned money, people.
Agree...I love DII football...My son played DIII back in the early 90s and I enjoyed all for years that he played.
 
#78
#78
Welp NIL been done for decades and capitalism is running amuk throughout the country..I don't blame them or the schools that stayed in compliance..everything is just coming to the light
 
#79
#79
I know this could go in the NCAA forum, but it really does pertain to Tennessee football in a big way.

Right now, the Big 10 is trying to open up the ability for private equity companies to invest into their conference. Only Michigan and USC are in opposition of this, while the other 14/16 have signed off. Why does this matter to you, your love of Tennessee football, and college athletics in general?

Because once private equity is involved, this sport is dead. It isn't some boogy man either; PE will do everything it can to push profitability to the max so they can get a return on their investment. To this point, college sports have been run on revenue from events/TV, donations, and product partnerships. While companies like Pilot want ROI, it is not a specific number they are looking for. Their ROI is seeing the brand on the field and the skybox by 100k fans a game + the millions at home.

PE will demand profit. This will mean every little thing will be monetized at some point. Vol Walk? Paid admission for the front row. Tickets? Even more expensive. All those extra non revenue generating sports? Dead, useless, because they don't make the almighty dollar for our private equity overlords.

This is a deal with the devil that officially kills this sport. If the Big 10 does this, the SEC will follow as we are in an arms race against them.

Look what they did to Vegas. They're draining your wallet the second you step into the casino
 
#80
#80
I would prefer cheaper ticket prices and easier parking. If the sports dies, is that a perk?
 
#81
#81
Good take and I believe you are correct. College football is already in decline with NIL. PE would be the nail in the coffin. They’ve already lost me on ticket prices. Glad I’m old enough to have seen the best of college football. All this really is is instant gratification, that’s the society we live in now.
 
#82
#82
Nobody cares one bit about anything but for how much money they can make.Dishonesty,theft,lying are good attributes for a company/persons to possess.Being fair and trustworthy is an anathema to today's world. Will honest and good ever come back?Maybe,but,not for a good long time.I love Tennessee ,always have,always will.Just have to ride the storm.Need to get back tothe sixties and seventies where I was most at home with.Old,yeah I guess I am;but,we could use some now.
 
#83
#83
We’re arguing about the water temperature after the Titanic struck the iceberg. I offer the following:

Once the camel has his nose under the edge of the tent, his body will soon follow.

There will be no American troops in the Republic of Vietnam.

The love of money is the root of all evil.

College football is simply following the course of human nature.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Big Al Orange
#84
#84
Title IX is EXACTLY why UC Investments will suggest splitting traditional (non high revenue) college sports and ROI generating (high revenue) college sports.

Private equity is designed to find and maximize the best parts of a business, ie. the profitable parts, and separate that part from the worst parts of the business, ie., the money losers.

Title IX is a stupid thing for business in college athletics. Getting the revenue generating sports away from having to give money to revenue losing sports is what private equity is all about.
I will make my 103rd prediction that Congress will get involved and force a return of D3,D2, and a vast majority of D1 back into a NEAR amateur model while insuring a path to pay for the really worthy. A separate semi-pro division that operates outside the rest of the framework. May force each NFL team to align with the teams. Clean break between college and pro. 32,teams ought to get it done. Old ncaa model including TIX with some NIL Rules.

The reps have a lot more have not schools in their districts than haves. G league and MLB minors already exist. Wanna be paid like a pro….,,, move up . Wanna earn your way there, play in the NCAA.

Could be one action that has support across the isles.


UT IS UT, but UTC UTM MTSU ETSU MEM have reps too. Fewer states have haves.., more have have nots to guide the senate votes. Where do ND SD NM AZ and maybe SC KY MO IL IN think they can’t play with the big boys.

Write the laws well and you take the courts out of play.

Just can’t see continued chaos living forever.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TN-POSSUM
#86
#86
Do you like the product? Do you like our freshman qb last year practically holding out before the playoff game because he technically signed up to play 12 games and only agreed based on remuneration for 12 so more money was needed for a playoff run? You like that?
I blinked it enough to watch and be interested. When the negatives outweigh the positives, I will stop watching.
 
#88
#88
This is what, the 27th or 28th "death of college football" over the last 50 to 60 years?

Not the death but the NBA and NFL both come from consuming specific teams from a failed league.

Think we see a NFL style formation of SEC and Big 10 with a few others and it goes semi pro.
 
#90
#90
It is absolutely incredible how the B10 is willing to tear conferences down in order to make their product more attractive for TV contracts and ad revenue, yet also needs $1.5B in PE to help save them. I don't know, think of how money you could have saved with 12 teams instead of 18 teams!

At least 10 of the teams are bad at football.
 
#92
#92
They made it to where you can’t walk down the street without being forced by a cop to walk through a casino. True story.
Do they still pop the little cards at you when going down the street?

If so, your wife doesn't want you to take one of those.

Who knew?
 
#93
#93
I will make my 103rd prediction that Congress will get involved and force a return of D3,D2, and a vast majority of D1 back into a NEAR amateur model while insuring a path to pay for the really worthy. A separate semi-pro division that operates outside the rest of the framework. May force each NFL team to align with the teams. Clean break between college and pro. 32,teams ought to get it done. Old ncaa model including TIX with some NIL Rules.

The reps have a lot more have not schools in their districts than haves. G league and MLB minors already exist. Wanna be paid like a pro….,,, move up . Wanna earn your way there, play in the NCAA.

Could be one action that has support across the isles.


UT IS UT, but UTC UTM MTSU ETSU MEM have reps too. Fewer states have haves.., more have have nots to guide the senate votes. Where do ND SD NM AZ and maybe SC KY MO IL IN think they can’t play with the big boys.

Write the laws well and you take the courts out of play.

Just can’t see continued chaos living forever.
You lost me at Congress. As we've seen, they are close to useless these days.

Besides, they have 30+ trillion dollars worth of better stuff to do than fix college football.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sami
#94
#94
The NCAA allowed the Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Nebraska Georgia and others to cheat for years and to level the field NIL came along and drove Saban to retirement. Now the next step of what this starting post is all about.
 
#95
#95
Doesn't matter much to me anymore. They've already priced me out as a fan. I doubt I'll ever attend another game again unless I'm invited by someone.
Same here. And, honestly, I’ve lost a ton of confidence in the program’s trajectory under Heupel as this season has progressed. We’ve regressed back to an average, at best, team this year. It’ll be an interesting offseason no doubt after we finish the year 7-5. We aren’t beating UF in Gainesville or Vanderbilt at home.
 
#97
#97
I wonder now that the war in Gaza is over if Greta Thunberg's new cause wil be saving college football? Just imagine her leading a flotilla up the Tennessee River to the Calhoun's .
Someone famously said “We suffer more in our mind that we ever do in our reality.” Shouldn’t we just enjoy the remaining games of this season, look forward to next season and wait and see what ultimately happens? Seems to me, that since none of us have any control over what will ultimately happen, this is a reasonable course. GBO!
 
  • Like
Reactions: orangebloodgmc
#98
#98
This makes sense and explains why PE would invest in athletics. The media rights are the meat and capitalism should continue to drive up the media deals.

Even if the B1G and SEC split from the NCAA, the media rights ARE a good investment.

Thx. That makes it a lot clearer.
Yeah - it makes all the sense in the world why a pension (which is essentially what UC is, much more so than a PE firm) would want to enter into a deal like this. It also makes sense why some of the Big Ten's member schools, particularly the big ones (like Michigan) would have reservations about it.

It's also really interesting to me that one of the member schools in the University of California system is, of course, Cal, who is a Big Ten member itself. I know the media rights payments UC owns are going to their investors and not to Cal, but still an interesting detail.
 
#99
#99
I know this could go in the NCAA forum, but it really does pertain to Tennessee football in a big way.

Right now, the Big 10 is trying to open up the ability for private equity companies to invest into their conference. Only Michigan and USC are in opposition of this, while the other 14/16 have signed off. Why does this matter to you, your love of Tennessee football, and college athletics in general?

Because once private equity is involved, this sport is dead. It isn't some boogy man either; PE will do everything it can to push profitability to the max so they can get a return on their investment. To this point, college sports have been run on revenue from events/TV, donations, and product partnerships. While companies like Pilot want ROI, it is not a specific number they are looking for. Their ROI is seeing the brand on the field and the skybox by 100k fans a game + the millions at home.

PE will demand profit. This will mean every little thing will be monetized at some point. Vol Walk? Paid admission for the front row. Tickets? Even more expensive. All those extra non revenue generating sports? Dead, useless, because they don't make the almighty dollar for our private equity overlords.

This is a deal with the devil that officially kills this sport. If the Big 10 does this, the SEC will follow as we are in an arms race against them.

I agree 100%. Corporate logos all over the field, maybe uniforms like NASCAR. Fields named after CEO's.
 
PE's are quietly buying up everything of value now. They've been buying houses for years. Lately I've been made aware they are going after veterinary practices and buying them up. Of course prices explode after they take them over. Pure greed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TN-POSSUM
Advertisement





Back
Top