Israel vs Palestinians II

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Vol8188 said:
You post so much nonsense it’s difficult to sort through. Can you repost the study you’re referring to
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This study by Israelis Dr. Eran Elhaik & Dr. Paul Wexler along with Dr. Mehdi Pirooznia and Dr. Ranajit Das:

http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/8/4/1132.full

Everyone else looked at it, got upset, and resorted to ad hominems and emoting in lieu of rational discussion.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
"My dad was a Christian mom Jewish. We went to Different churches and messianic synagogues growing up." -- Smokey123

Who are your favorite politicians?
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All Christian’s believe Jews are the chosen people?

They almost all suck but I do like Thomas massie, Justin Amish, Pauls, Austin Peterson. Tulsi gabbard kind of
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Lots of Jewish people do have Middle Eastern ancestry since a lot of Jewish families have lived in the Middle East continuously since antiquity, and I never ever said they don't. The Sephardic Jews and the Palestinians, especially of the West Bank, have common ancestry. They have very significant amounts of ancient Israelite ancestry. What I am saying is that Ashkenazi (European) Jews don't really, as these are European populations. This video by Dr. Gad Rennert, a medical doctor in Haifa, Israel, illustrates what I'm talking about.



As you can see, there's heavy overlap among the Sephardic Jewish, the Arab, and the Druze populations because they have shared ancestry. The Ashkenazi Jewish genomes don't overlap with the people native to the region. The Sephardic Jews and Palestinians are just a mixture of the various tribes that have existed there. The Sephardic Jews and the Palestinians, especially the Palestinians of the West Bank, have way more common ancestry than Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews. There's no such thing as a "pure Sephardic Jew" or a "pure Palestinian Arab". It's mythology that all Jews are 100% descended from Isaac and all Arabs are 100% descended from Ishmael. Aside from that being mythology, similar to the story of Romulus & Remus drinking milk by suckling a wolf when they were infants until Faustulus found them, it's just not real from a practical standpoint. Herod the Great, the builder of the second temple and its remaining wall where American politicians and Instagram thots go and kiss, had an Edomite parent and an Arab parent. His children married Jews, and there was already a lot of intermixing long before then and there always has been ever since. Meanwhile, Ashkenazi Jews have been up in Poland, Germany, Russia, and elsewhere in Europe for centuries.

The Ashkenazi Jew Mordechai Brafman shooting two Israeli Jews of indigenous Israeli ancestry illustrates this. His two Jewish victims looked very different from him, a white man of European stock, and looked identical to Palestinian Arabs since they share so much common ancestry. He thought they were Arabs, so he shot them.





Ivanka Trump is a Jewish person. Don Jr. and Eric Trump aren't Jewish people. All three have the same mother and father, but Ivanka is the only one with Middle Eastern ancestry? Interesting. 🤔 I'm not going to pretend like Ivanka Trump has Middle Eastern ancestry, but you do you.

I'm sure you're going to dismiss the Jewish Israeli author Shlomo Sand as being an antisemitic liar, as you've self-annointed yourself the arbiter of who is and isn't, but I highly recommend that you read his book The Invention of the Jewish People, available on Amazon.

Amazon.com

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1. Your video in no way shows that Ashkenazi’s lack middle eastern ancestry.

2. Calling your Ivanka Trump comment retarded would be insulting to the intellect of retards.

3. I don’t need to read a book that has been entirely debunked by modern DNA evidence. If the book is right, then why would Ashkenazi Jews have such strong middle eastern DNA? The answer is obvious. The rogue historian pitching a fringe theory, is wrong.
 
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Smokey123 said:
All Christian’s believe Jews are the chosen people?

They almost all suck but I do like Thomas massie, Justin Amish, Pauls, Austin Peterson. Tulsi gabbard kind of
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Every Christian I've ever met in my entire life has said Jews are "God's Chosen People." I'm not going to pretend like I've met every Christian, obviously, but there are lots of them here in Tennessee and other places I've lived. These religions are mostly just social clubs, as few if any religious people actually believe in their own religions. There no doubt are some genuine, hardcore believers, but those appear to be very rare. Aside from their apparent disinterest in obeying the teachings in their own religious texts, they talk about their almighty god in front of each other to fit in but, when it really matters, they have vastly more faith in me and my small amount of tax dollars than their own god. Religions would be a lot better if they wouldn't rely on me and other non-religious people, and have more faith in their own god if they're going to go around saying he's almighty. They say one thing and do another non-stop, whether it comes to their faith in their god or morality in general. Not all, but certainly well over 90%.

I like Massie for the same reasons I like MTG. The Pauls too, Ron more than Rand. I liked Gabbard up until recently.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Every Christian I've ever met in my entire life has said Jews are "God's Chosen People." I'm not going to pretend like I've met every Christian, obviously, but there are lots of them here in Tennessee and other places I've lived. These religions are mostly just social clubs, as few if any religious people actually believe in their own religions. There no doubt are some genuine, hardcore believers, but those appear to be very rare. Aside from their apparent disinterest in obeying the teachings in their own religious texts, they talk about their almighty god in front of each other to fit in but, when it really matters, they have vastly more faith in me and my small amount of tax dollars than their own god. Religions would be a lot better if they wouldn't rely on me and other non-religious people, and have more faith in their own god if they're going to go around saying he's almighty. They say one thing and do another non-stop, whether it comes to their faith in their god or morality in general. Not all, but certainly well over 90%.

I like Massie for the same reasons I like MTG. The Pauls too, Ron more than Rand. I liked Gabbard up until recently.
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There’s a large (and growing) portion that believe modern day Israel is not Israel of the Bible and the Jews today are not the Israelites. Dispensationalism wasn’t exactly common until the Scofield Bible. Plenty of church fathers were well known outspoken anti-semites. So I’m not really sure your reasoning is rooted in truth

And that reason would be?
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. Your video in no way shows that Ashkenazi’s lack middle eastern ancestry.

2. Calling your Ivanka Trump comment retarded would be insulting to the intellect of retards.

3. I don’t need to read a book that has been entirely debunked by modern DNA evidence. If the book is right, then why would Ashkenazi Jews have such strong middle eastern DNA? The answer is obvious. The rogue historian pitching a fringe theory, is wrong.
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1. The Arab and Israeli Jewish genomes overlap because they're related to one another. The Ashkenazi genome is distant and closer to the Russians.

2. You said all Jews are Middle Eastern. Ivanka's a Jew.

3. "I don't need to read a book." That seems to be a common sentiment in this thread. 😅 The study Localizing Ashkenazic Jews to Primeval Villages in the Ancient Iranian Lands of Ashkenaz by the researchers I've already named (Das, Elhaik, Wexler, Pirooznia) discusses the history of the Yiddish language and the origins of the Ashkenazi Jewish people.
 
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Smokey123 said:
There’s a large (and growing) portion that believe modern day Israel is not Israel of the Bible and the Jews today are not the Israelites. Dispensationalism wasn’t exactly common until the Scofield Bible. Plenty of church fathers were well known outspoken anti-semites. So I’m not really sure your reasoning is rooted in truth

And that reason would be?
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The Scofield Bible has been around a lot longer than I have, so it's brainwashed every church person I know. And it's true that Rev. Billy Graham was an antisemite in private, but he talked out of both sides of his mouth and was a different person in front of his cult members.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
1. The Arab and Israeli Jewish genomes overlap because they're related to one another. The Ashkenazi genome is distant and closer to the Russians.
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The 2 minute video I saw didn’t even include Russians as an option.

SquirrelOrange3 said:
2. You said all Jews are Middle Eastern. Ivanka's a Jew.
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Not what I said. Obviously if I converted to a new religion, it wouldn’t change my ancestry.

SquirrelOrange3 said:
3. "I don't need to read a book." That seems to be a common sentiment in this thread. 😅 The study Localizing Ashkenazic Jews to Primeval Villages in the Ancient Iranian Lands of Ashkenaz by the researchers I've already named (Das, Elhaik, Wexler, Pirooznia) discusses the history of the Yiddish language and the origins of the Ashkenazi Jewish people.
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The concerning thing to me in this thread is someone who uses his free time to read books denying jewish middle eastern ancestry. What other than antisemitism would lead you to pick that one up?
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
The Scofield Bible has been around a lot longer than I have, so it's brainwashed every church person I know. And it's true that Rev. Billy Graham was an antisemite in private, but he talked out of both sides of his mouth and was a different person in front of his cult members.
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Billy Graham isn’t a church father
 
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#4,492
Vol8188 said:
The 2 minute video I saw didn’t even include Russians as an option.



Not what I said. Obviously if I converted to a new religion, it wouldn’t change my ancestry.


The concerning thing to me in this thread is someone who uses his free time to read books denying jewish middle eastern ancestry. What other than antisemitism would lead you to pick that one up?
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1. He specifically mentioned Russians as a lot of the immigration has come from the former Soviet Union. Those were the green dots on the chart. Black was Ashkenazi Jewish, dark blue Arab, light blue Druze.

2. That's my point and that's what the study by talks about. People were converting to Judaism for various reasons. Some were merchants, some were slaves, and so on. They did originate in the Middle East, but it was in what today is Iran and the Black Sea coast of what today is northeastern Turkey, and then there was a lot of migration into Europe.

3. I read a lot. I can't imagine saying, "I don't need to read a book." I hope I never reach that point in my life.

But getting back to the most important questions in the whole thread, which I didn't notice anyone answer... Maybe I overlooked the replies... Why did Netanyahu sponsor Hamas for decades when he knew how the organization felt about Israel, and why did he keep getting re-elected by the citizens? I see a Haaretz article, but it's paywalled.

A brief history of the Netanyahu-Hamas alliance | Opinion
 
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Smokey123 said:
Billy Graham isn’t a church father
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Yet, he was the most influential living person in the Protestant church in America during our lifetime.

Rev. Billy Graham is no longer with us, but this gentleman is the current de facto Pope of the Protestants.



But getting back to the most important questions in the whole thread, which I didn't notice anyone answer... Maybe I overlooked the replies... Why did Netanyahu sponsor Hamas for decades when he knew how the organization felt about Israel, and why did he keep getting re-elected by the citizens? I see a Haaretz article, but it's paywalled.

A brief history of the Netanyahu-Hamas alliance | Opinion
 
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When your ‘senior international editor’ admits he doesn’t really care about putting out incendiary misinformation about a story as serious as the Al Ahli hospital bombing

You’ve probably got a problem in your newsroom

BBC resignations are long overdue.

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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Yet, he was the most influential living person in the Protestant church in America during our lifetime.

Rev. Billy Graham is no longer with us, but this gentleman is the current de facto Pope of the Protestants.



But getting back to the most important questions in the whole thread, which I didn't notice anyone answer... Maybe I overlooked the replies... Why did Netanyahu sponsor Hamas for decades when he knew how the organization felt about Israel, and why did he keep getting re-elected by the citizens? I see a Haaretz article, but it's paywalled.

A brief history of the Netanyahu-Hamas alliance | Opinion
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wtf does a televangelist have anything to do with this discussion? I mention church fathers you bring up Billy graham, I say he’s not a church father so you bring up John Hagee? You’re all over the place

Ya you over looked the whole thread I guess. Israel giving money to Hamas has been discussed a lot. Most people in this thread don’t like Bibi

How does Hamas feel about Israel?
 
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Smokey123 said:
wtf does a televangelist have anything to do with this discussion? I mention church fathers you bring up Billy graham, I say he’s not a church father so you bring up John Hagee? You’re all over the place

Ya you over looked the whole thread I guess. Israel giving money to Hamas has been discussed a lot. Most people in this thread don’t like Bibi

How does Hamas feel about Israel?
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You talked about the Scofield Bible not being relevant in your father's cult, and now you're triggered over a video of America's most influential preacher that proved otherwise. 😅

So why did the State of Israel support Hamas?

Rumeysa Ozturk was arrested for "supporting Hamas" because she wrote an op-ed but Netanyahu gave real support to Hamas and Trump acted like Netanyahu's servant. 🤣

Ask some Israelis how Hamas feels about Israel. They're the ones that have a long, intimate relationship with Hamas. The blood of every Jew and Arab that has died in the conflict is on the hands of not just Hamas, but also Netanyahu and his voters and supporters. Mine too, since Jews and Christians basically admitted their god is worthless and needed my tax dollars to compensate. 😅
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
You talked about the Scofield Bible not being relevant in your father's cult, and now you're triggered over a video of America's most influential preacher that proved otherwise. 😅

So why did the State of Israel support Hamas?

Rumeysa Ozturk was arrested for "supporting Hamas" because she wrote an op-ed but Netanyahu gave real support to Hamas and Trump acted like Netanyahu's servant. 🤣

Ask some Israelis how Hamas feels about Israel. They're the ones that have a long, intimate relationship with Hamas. The blood of every Jew and Arab that has died in the conflict is on the hands of not just Hamas, but also Netanyahu and his voters and supporters. Mine too, since Jews and Christians basically admitted their god is worthless and needed my tax dollars to compensate. 😅
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When did I say the scofield bible wasn’t relevant?

When you die can you make sure your family donates your brain to science

I already said your question has been discussed plenty in this thread (especially by me)

I asked you; How does Hamas feel about Israel?
 
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