How about a realistic situation that we can all agree on?

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Patience is hard when one sees that Curt Cignetti stepped into a HEAVILY below water Indiana program and took them to the CFP his first year AND is on his way to taking them there again this year.

Granted, Josh Heupel stepped into sanctions and a complete rebuild and performed a near miracle to do what he's done but there's little confidence that we're not treading water at this point.

Cignetti seems to be improving the Indiana program in each of his 2 years there after taking over a..... 2-10? 4-8? something like that program.

Yeah, yeah, the B1G isn't the SEC. It isn't but Indiana didn't just suck a little, they sucked a lot when he got there. Patience isn't easy when you see a #2 Indiana.
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Well, if you wanna be a fan of a B10 school that's doing well, have at it. Seems like you've already got a good start going.

I'm going to stay a Vol. Even if the SEC is hella harder to win championships in.

Go Vols!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Well, if you wanna be a fan of a B10 school that's doing well, have at it. Seems like you've already got a good start going.

I'm going to stay a Vol. Even if the SEC is hella harder to win championships in.

Go Vols!
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying expectations occur because we all look at who is above us and wonder how to get there.

Cignetti got there from a dumpster, perhaps it wasn't on fire like our dumpster, but a dumpster. He got there in year 1 and will get there in year 2 and many expect his success will continue or he'll get poached away by a more resourceful (though thank you Mark Cuban, I think it is) program.

I'm not pimping the B1G at all and it isn't easy to win in the SEC BECAUSE teams have expectations and, as we've seen, coaches get canned when they don't meet them in the SEC.

I'm not calling for Josh Heupel's head but I am saying we can expect to see success and we have AND expect that success to be consistent and continue.
 
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kunsanvol said:
I'm of the opinion that CJH has done a great job re-establishing our program, and is a fairly young coach who's made some mistakes. I firmly believe with a couple of good staff moves, UT could jump to a consistent 10-11 win team quickly. With all of the coaching moves that are about to take place, certainly there will be A LOT of assistants out there looking for jobs. Some of our assistants may be offered positions to leave UT as well. Who are some big time DC's or assistant coaches that could be affected, and who would you like to see us pursue?
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My opinion, which I feel that is easy to dissipate, is that I want Banks to stay. I think our lack of depth at DB was under realized until we saw how far off we feel without McCoy and Gibson we have been reduced to always playing 6-10 yards off because of the lack of trust. It reminds me of the screens with Milton. I think he if can get us back to what we were or close to it, even once, from Fraz’s sophomore year on we can win a National Championship.

I’d like to see us bring in some fired HC’s as analysts similar to what Saban used to do. Pittman is a good example of someone I’d like to have around the program.

Hell let’s pull a Saban and bring on Brian Kelly and let him fetch our towels. He’s the kinda cornball we can all get a good laugh at. 😂
 
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Hairy Vols said:
My opinion, which I feel that is easy to dissipate, is that I want Banks to stay. I think our lack of depth at DB was under realized until we saw how far off we feel without McCoy and Gibson we have been reduced to always playing 6-10 yards off because of the lack of trust. It reminds me of the screens with Milton. I think he if can get us back to what we were or close to it, even once, from Fraz’s sophomore year on we can win a National Championship.

I’d like to see us bring in some fired HC’s as analysts similar to what Saban used to do. Pittman is a good example of someone I’d like to have around the program.

Hell let’s pull a Saban and bring on Brian Kelly and let him fetch our towels. He’s the kinda cornball we can all get a good laugh at. 😂
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Josh doesn't have the gravitas of Nick Saban to open a "rehab facility" for fired coaches yet. He got Seth Littrell from OU perhaps as a "we can promote him if we need to" hire but he's not getting the kind of guys Saban got to take cheap analyst jobs. Having "analyst for Josh Heupel" on your resume isn't the same as "analyst for Nick Saban."
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Josh doesn't have the gravitas of Nick Saban to open a "rehab facility" for fired coaches yet. He got Seth Littrell from OU perhaps as a "we can promote him if we need to" hire but he's not getting the kind of guys Saban got to take cheap analyst jobs. Having "analyst for Josh Heupel" on your resume isn't the same as "analyst for Nick Saban."
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This. If Pittman still has the fire, why would he be an offensive analyst when he’s a better coach than the OL coach he would be working under?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying expectations occur because we all look at who is above us and wonder how to get there.

Cignetti got there from a dumpster, perhaps it wasn't on fire like our dumpster, but a dumpster. He got there in year 1 and will get there in year 2 and many expect his success will continue or he'll get poached away by a more resourceful (though thank you Mark Cuban, I think it is) program.

I'm not pimping the B1G at all and it isn't easy to win in the SEC BECAUSE teams have expectations and, as we've seen, coaches get canned when they don't meet them in the SEC.

I'm not calling for Josh Heupel's head but I am saying we can expect to see success and we have AND expect that success to be consistent and continue.
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I don't know, it seemed to me you were fawning over Cignetti at Indiana.

Know who he's beaten so far? Old Dominion ... Kennesaw State ... Indiana State ... Illinois ... Iowa ... Michigan St ... UCLA ... and Maryland. Oh, and one good win vs Oregon.

You think Cignetti and his Hoosiers would be 9-0 if he had instead faced Georgia ... Alabama ... Oklahoma ... Mississippi State ... Syracuse ... Arkansas ... and Kentucky? Where almost every team on Indiana's record thus far is about as challenging as the last three on our list?

I'm not saying we didn't have a couple of cupcakes (ETSU, UAB). I'm saying it's almost nothing BUT cupcakes for Indiana.

It has been true of Ohio State and Michigan, and is now true of Indiana: when you only face one or two challenges all season long, it's much easier to put together a long string of Ws.

So I'm not going to join you in wishing we had their head coach, or even comparing theirs favorably to ours. I think Josh is the better man.

Go Vols!
 
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Usaf redhorse said:
Yes! I’ve seen all the coach changes for Tennessee the past 20 years and we have seen that year 5 is the year of telling you exactly what you have and angst the future holds! So here we are year 5 with heupel and he is regressing! Unfortunately it will take 2 more years for Tennessee to wise up but it doesn’t bode well for the program! Year 5 snd we will be lucky to end the season in the top 25! I’m sorry to disappoint you heupel lovers but he isn’t the guy!!
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I'm not sure you can make a comparison between Heupel and previous coaches. The method of building a roster back then was recruiting. Kids couldn't leave without sitting a year and they were only allowed one transfer. What Heupel has to deal with is a completely different animal. Everything has changed. Stability has been replaced by greed and unlimited mobility. In days gone by, Nico wouldn't have been able to pull the stunt he did and frankly, there wouldn't have been a financial incentive to do it anyway. No, I can't agree that year 5 is a true indicator. I'll also submit that the old days of letting a coach build a roster of his recruits...4-5 years...is no longer applicable either. Now coaches operate on a year by year roster. No excuses now that we're in the portal era.
 
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kunsanvol said:
I'm of the opinion that CJH has done a great job re-establishing our program, and is a fairly young coach who's made some mistakes. I firmly believe with a couple of good staff moves, UT could jump to a consistent 10-11 win team quickly. With all of the coaching moves that are about to take place, certainly there will be A LOT of assistants out there looking for jobs. Some of our assistants may be offered positions to leave UT as well. Who are some big time DC's or assistant coaches that could be affected, and who would you like to see us pursue?
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Any post that includes the phrase "we can all agree on" is a waste of time at best and a pathetic cry for attention at worst.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Heuple said preseason they did a reevaluation of the O. That produced results. Time to do it for D this off season. Some personnel changes may be needed.
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The results came from an unexpected upgrade at QB. If Nico were still here, we’d be in real trouble.

We need a Cutcliffe-type guy that can instill discipline in the offense. You look at false starts, drops, stupid penalties… all that stuff drastically reduced when he returned. That’s what the offense needs. Josh is too much of a players guy and has too many other responsibilities to fool with that. It needs to come from the OC.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Patience is hard when one sees that Curt Cignetti stepped into a HEAVILY below water Indiana program and took them to the CFP his first year AND is on his way to taking them there again this year.

Granted, Josh Heupel stepped into sanctions and a complete rebuild and performed a near miracle to do what he's done but there's little confidence that we're not treading water at this point.

Cignetti seems to be improving the Indiana program in each of his 2 years there after taking over a..... 2-10? 4-8? something like that program.

Yeah, yeah, the B1G isn't the SEC. It isn't but Indiana didn't just suck a little, they sucked a lot when he got there. Patience isn't easy when you see a #2 Indiana.
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Bad comparison. Their schedule is much easier.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
My opinion, which I feel that is easy to dissipate, is that I want Banks to stay. I think our lack of depth at DB was under realized until we saw how far off we feel without McCoy and Gibson we have been reduced to always playing 6-10 yards off because of the lack of trust. It reminds me of the screens with Milton. I think he if can get us back to what we were or close to it, even once, from Fraz’s sophomore year on we can win a National Championship.

I’d like to see us bring in some fired HC’s as analysts similar to what Saban used to do. Pittman is a good example of someone I’d like to have around the program.

Hell let’s pull a Saban and bring on Brian Kelly and let him fetch our towels. He’s the kinda cornball we can all get a good laugh at. 😂
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There’s a lot more wrong with the defense than Gibson and McCoy being gone. hood is probably better than Gibson, anyway.

The safeties are awful and that’s the position Banks coaches. Linebackers are perpetually confused. We frequently don’t have an LB in the box and get drilled up the middle because of it. No spy on Mateer on key downs. Lining up 20 yards off the line on a third and 3. Horrible outside contain. Just on and on. He is bad at his job.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I don't know, it seemed to me you were fawning over Cignetti at Indiana.

Know who he's beaten so far? Old Dominion ... Kennesaw State ... Indiana State ... Illinois ... Iowa ... Michigan St ... UCLA ... and Maryland. Oh, and one good win vs Oregon.

You think Cignetti and his Fighting Illlini would be 9-0 if he had instead faced Georgia ... Alabama ... Oklahoma ... Mississippi State ... Syracuse ... Arkansas ... and Kentucky? Where almost every team on Indiana's record thus far is about as challenging as the last three on our list?

I'm not saying we didn't have a couple of cupcakes (ETSU, UAB). I'm saying it's almost nothing BUT cupcakes for Indiana.

It has been true of Ohio State and Michigan, and is now true of Indiana: when you only face one or two challenges all season long, it's much easier to put together a long string of Ws.

So I'm not going to join you in wishing we had their head coach, or even comparing theirs favorably to ours. I think Josh is the better man.

Go Vols!
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Nonetheless, the previous record, even against the crappy competition, was trash. Complete trash. Something turned around for Indiana AND stayed turned around.

Do you think our trajectory is trending up or down or leveling off? It's that simple.

I didn't call for Cignetti to replace Josh so stop putting words in my fingers. I said having expectations that a coach can not only take us to the dance BUT continue that upward trajectory isn't being impatient, it's having expectations.

Again, it's the SEC and expectations are higher than the B1G and should be. If you're going to coach in the SEC AND take your team to the CFP, don't be surprised when the school and the fans expect you to continue taking them to the CFP.
 
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Usaf redhorse said:
Me likey when people resort to insults it tell me that I hit a nerve! See reading The Art of the deal is already paying off!!👹
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Not likely that a newbie troll that’s been on here for two months is going to hit a nerve with me or anybody else. You’re going to have to try a lot harder than that.

One other note. There is other punctuation on your keyboard other than exclamation marks. Nothing you’ve said so far is that exciting.
 
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Delmar said:
Not likely that a newbie troll that’s been on here for two months is going to hit a nerve with me or anybody else. You’re going to have to try a lot harder than that.

One other note. There is other punctuation on your keyboard other than exclamation marks. Nothing you’ve said so far is that exciting.
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Boy son you got me shaking in my boots! How about we meet somewhere and discuss this further !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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2024 proved that a Tim Banks defense can work if he has the right players. Unfortunately, we lost arguably our 5-6 best defensive players from last years team.

Now, part of not having the right players falls on Banks and the defensive coaching staff on recruiting. But how might this defense look if McCoy and Gibson were healthy and if Boo was playing with effort?
 
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Usaf redhorse said:
Boy son you got me shaking in my boots! How about we meet somewhere and discuss this further !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Since you're relatively new here I'll let you in on Volnation protocol:

It's customary to call someone out specifically to a Waffle House to settle things in a manly way.

This is because no one will notice a brawl there AND those of us who show up for entertainment can pick up an All Star Breakfast, a waitress, Salmonella poisoning, and/or a few Xanies or Oxys in the parking lot. Any combo of 3 of the above is considered a successful Waffle House fight trip.
 
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Usaf redhorse said:
Maybe? But heupel needs to feel the heat first to force any change! As long as the sun shine pumpers continue to make excuses for him and his apathy then nothing will change! So up folks that criticize folks like myself that want some change basically you are enabling his apathy’s JMHO!
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I bet you’re late to work 2-3 times a week
 
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Usaf redhorse said:
Boy son you got me shaking in my boots! How about we meet somewhere and discuss this further !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So here's the thing about guys who served in the Air Force's Redhorse squadrons.

They are an oxymoron. Imagine it: a fella who won't go join the Army or Marine Corps, or even the Navy, but signs up for the ... Air Force. The freakin Air Force. So already not much of a fighter. More a "I want to serve, but let's do it safely, yeah?" kind of person. At worst, "let me fly over the fighting and drop stuff on them, yeah?"

On the other hand, Redhorse is construction. Those guys are engineers. They're tough, dirty, blue collar workers who put in long days and tend to drink heavy after the sun goes down.

Doesn't square, does it?

There's a few jobs like that in the Air Force, where it just doesn't seem to square: "civilian in uniform," the "white collar branch of the US military," but in a rough specialty. The SP are like that (Air Force version of Military Police). My cousin was an SP. Funny thing is, he'd have fit much better in the Army or Marines than in blue. *shrug*

The PJs and CCTs are that way, too. Para-rescue jumpers, folks who risk their lives to go into enemy territory and pull out downed pilots ... and Combat Controllers, who go into combat with Army/Marine outfits (including special forces) to call in air support. Some of those guys are real heroes, guys like John Chapman (look him up in YouTube if you don't already know his Medal of Honor story from Afghanistan, every American ought to know about him).

A-10 pilots tend to be that way. Soldiers in their hearts, but wearing blue instead of green. Thank God for those fellas. And the AC-130 crews.

So there are some mis-matches. And Redhorse are part of it.

Doesn't mean you gotta be entirely stupid on these boards, though, brother. Calm down, drink a beer or 20, pass out, and maybe start again tomorrow with your head a little more level.

Go Vols!
 
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The only assistant on this staff who I say we should fight to keep is Garner. Otherwise there’s probably an upgrade available everywhere else. But in any case, I would not enter next year with Tim Banks or Willie Martinez on staff under any circumstance. They had their shot, it’s time for something new in the back end.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
So here's the thing about guys who served in the Air Force's Redhorse squadrons.

They are an oxymoron. Imagine it: a fella who won't go join the Army or Marine Corps, or even the Navy, but signs up for the ... Air Force. The freakin Air Force. So already not much of a fighter. More a "I want to serve, but let's do it safely, yeah?" kind of person. At worst, "let me fly over the fighting and drop stuff on them, yeah?"

On the other hand, Redhorse is construction. Those guys are engineers. They're tough, dirty, blue collar workers who put in long days and tend to drink heavy after the sun goes down.

Doesn't square, does it?

There's a few jobs like that in the Air Force, where it just doesn't seem to square: "civilian in uniform," the "white collar branch of the US military," but in a rough specialty. The SP are like that (Air Force version of Military Police). My cousin was an SP. Funny thing is, he'd have fit much better in the Army or Marines than in blue. *shrug*

The PJs and CCTs are that way, too. Para-rescue jumpers, folks who risk their lives to go into enemy territory and pull out downed pilots ... and Combat Controllers, who go into combat with Army/Marine outfits (including special forces) to call in air support. Some of those guys are real heroes, guys like John Chapman (look him up in YouTube if you don't already know his Medal of Honor story from Afghanistan, every American ought to know about him).

A-10 pilots tend to be that way. Soldiers in their hearts, but wearing blue instead of green. Thank God for those fellas. And the AC-130 crews.

So there are some mis-matches. And Redhorse are part of it.

Doesn't mean you gotta be entirely stupid on these boards, though, brother. Calm down, drink a beer or 20, pass out, and maybe start again tomorrow with your head a little more level.

Go Vols!
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Chill with the demeaning talk about the Air Force. Air Force pilots have saved thousands of marines over the years deep in enemy territory.

Also Cignetti coaches the Hoosiers. Not the fighting Illini
 
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