Nuclear option to end government shutdown?

Should the nuclear option be used to open up the government?

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#101
#101
Sea Ray said:
We need bipartisanship.
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Yes and no.

Why yes? Because the government needs to be functional and in many ways it is dysfunctional. Gridlock is dysfunction.

Why no? Bipartisanship without a set standard is foolish. We need adherence to our founding documents and/or modification of the documents via the process outlined. They aren't passing budgets anymore. That is what they are supposed to do. They are passing continuing resolutions. May be semantics but I don't think we see that phrase in the constitution. They are supposed to be promoting "general welfare". They promote "specific welfare".

I consider the innumerable ways that our constitution is trampled because they reached a 'bipartisan agreement'.
 
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Sea Ray said:
That's a big problem with the country right now. Bipartisanship accomplished productive legislation in the Reagan and Clinton years. Congress isn't accomplishing anything now. We'll never solve these three big problems without bipartisanship:

1) Healthcare
2) Immigration Reform
3) Deficit
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Maybe, just maybe we don't need congress to accomplish anything? What this should be making crystal clear to everyone is that if we want this country to survive we have no other choice but to neuter the federal government. Reduce it's size, scope and power back to the pre civil war era and make it virtually unimportant to the average American citizen.
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe, just maybe we don't need congress to accomplish anything? What this should be making crystal clear to everyone is that if we want this country to survive we have no other choice but to neuter the federal government. Reduce it's size, scope and power back to the pre civil war era and make it virtually unimportant to the average American citizen.
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I regret I can only like this once.
 
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hog88 said:
Flucking terrible idea.

He should be pushing for a repeal of the 17th amendment rather than ending the filibuster.
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I’m fine with keeping the 17th if they were to get rid of the 19th. 🤔😉
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe, just maybe we don't need congress to accomplish anything? What this should be making crystal clear to everyone is that if we want this country to survive we have no other choice but to neuter the federal government. Reduce it's size, scope and power back to the pre civil war era and make it virtually unimportant to the average American citizen.
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Do you think that nuclear option could be used to do that permanently
 
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McDad said:
Yes and no.

Why yes? Because the government needs to be functional and in many ways it is dysfunctional. Gridlock is dysfunction.

Why no? Bipartisanship without a set standard is foolish. We need adherence to our founding documents and/or modification of the documents via the process outlined. They aren't passing budgets anymore. That is what they are supposed to do. They are passing continuing resolutions. May be semantics but I don't think we see that phrase in the constitution. They are supposed to be promoting "general welfare". They promote "specific welfare".

I consider the innumerable ways that our constitution is trampled because they reached a 'bipartisan agreement'.
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They need to pass budgets in a bipartisan fashion. The filibuster has its roots going back to 1806. It's only recently that Congress can't work across the aisle. Continuing resolutions are a horrible way to fund a country. Ending the filibuster is not the answer
 
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hog88 said:
Maybe, just maybe we don't need congress to accomplish anything? What this should be making crystal clear to everyone is that if we want this country to survive we have no other choice but to neuter the federal government. Reduce it's size, scope and power back to the pre civil war era and make it virtually unimportant to the average American citizen.
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How are we to solve those 3 problems without Congress?
 
#110
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Sea Ray said:
They need to pass budgets in a bipartisan fashion. The filibuster has its roots going back to 1806. It's only recently that Congress can't work across the aisle. Continuing resolutions are a horrible way to fund a country. Ending the filibuster is not the answer
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Good thing I didn't mention the filibuster, then.

If CRs are horrible way to fund, why do you ask for bipartisanship on a "horrible way to fund the country"? Seems like the method should be a 'non negotiable'.
 
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I don't see the Senate doing this because, as much as they yield to Trump, in the end it would diminish the power of the Senate long term.
 
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McDad said:
Good thing I didn't mention the filibuster, then.

If CRs are horrible way to fund, why do you ask for bipartisanship on a "horrible way to fund the country"? Seems like the method should be a 'non negotiable'.
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I would prefer they pass a budget rather than a CR. I thought this thread was about the filibuster. If your comment was not about that, fine
 
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Sea Ray said:
I would prefer they pass a budget rather than a CR. I thought this thread was about the filibuster. If your comment was not about that, fine
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I would too. I thought you had the capacity to discuss things within the larger convo.

No worries.

I will be direct. Bipartisanship on bad policy and bad methods is a monumentally bad idea.
 
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McDad said:
I would too. I thought you had the capacity to discuss things within the larger convo.

No worries.

I will be direct. Bipartisanship on bad policy and bad methods is a monumentally bad idea.
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Bad policy and bad methods are a bad idea with or without bipartisanship. Of course I'm advocating for good legislation. Right now neither party is putting forth a plan for any of those 3 problems. Nobody wants to address the big problems
 
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Sea Ray said:
Bad policy and bad methods are a bad idea with or without bipartisanship. Of course I'm advocating for good legislation. Right now neither party is putting forth a plan for any of those 3 problems. Nobody wants to address the big problems
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I guess I am confused, then. I thought you wanted bipartisanship with the specific issue of shutdown. But that is bad policy and bad methodology and it isn't a plan to address the big problem.
 
#122
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McDad said:
I guess I am confused, then. I thought you wanted bipartisanship with the specific issue of shutdown. But that is bad policy and bad methodology and it isn't a plan to address the big problem.
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I want bipartisanship and avoid shutdowns
 
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