President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[BeardedVol]

Do you think illegals don't put any strain on the following resources:

Schools
Healthcare
Law enforcement

That would be three very big areas that affect everyone

If they are working, paying taxes, and relatively law-abiding, then how are they any more of a "strain" then a person with legal status?

 

[volfanhill]

If they are working, paying taxes, and relatively law-abiding, then how are they any more of a "strain" then a person with legal status?

Because they wouldn't exist in this country. One more person at the ER adss strain. One more kid in class adds strain. One person involved in an incident that require emeregency service adds strain. Its simple math having nothing to do with their legality. Its not about if their presence adds more or less strain then a citizen. Its that their presence adds it.

 

[allstar34]

If they are working, paying taxes, and relatively law-abiding, then how are they any more of a "strain" then a person with legal status?

Unauthorized entry or re-entry after deportation is a misdemeanor or felony.
Day 1 Criminal.

Any employer that hires illegal immigrants to use them as low wage workers should receive a massive fine as well.
You can't be law-abiding if you constantly are breaking a law.

 

[MontyPython]

The White House said Tuesday it would follow through on plans to partially fund critical food aid during the government shutdown, despite President Donald Trump’s threat just hours earlier that he would withhold the federal assistance.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters that she had spoken with Trump and that the administration would be “fully complying” with a court order to keep some Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits flowing.

“We’re getting that partial payment out the door as much as we can and as quickly as we can,” Leavitt said of the program, which is more commonly known as SNAP or food stamps.

Trump sparked widespread confusion earlier Tuesday when he appeared to abruptly reverse course on the administration’s funding plan, writing on Truth Social that SNAP “will be given only when those Radical Left Democrats open up the government, which they can easily do, and not before!”

 

[BeardedVol]

Because they wouldn't exist in this country. One more person at the ER adss strain. One more kid in class adds strain. One person involved in an incident that require emeregency service adds strain. Its simple math having nothing to do with their legality. Its not about of their prescience adds more or later as strain then a citizen. Its that their presence adds it.

And collectively adding nearly $100 billion/year to federal, state, and local tax coffers.

There are far more citizens that don't have insurance that are going to the ER as their primary care, and many are not contributing at anywhere near the tax footprint as the average illegal immigrant who is working in the US.

 

[BeardedVol]

Unauthorized entry or re-entry after deportation is a misdemeanor or felony.
Day 1 Criminal.

Any employer that hires illegal immigrants to use them as low wage workers should receive a massive fine as well.
You can't be law-abiding if you constantly are breaking a law.

Literally has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Speeding is a crime too, and you can't be "law abiding" if you aren't constantly flaunting the speed limit.

See how that nonsense works?

 

[allstar34]

Literally has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Speeding is a crime too, and you can't be "law abiding" if you aren't constantly flaunting the speed limit.

See how that nonsense works?

You can only speed so long before ice THP catches you and you pay the consequences.

 

[volfanhill]

And collectively adding nearly $100 billion/year to federal, state, and local tax coffers.

There are far more citizens that don't have insurance that are going to the ER as their primary care, and many are not contributing at anywhere near the tax footprint as the average illegal immigrant who is working in the US.

Not relevant. They have a right to be here. The additional tax revenue doesn't change the increase in strain on those areas I outlined. And we aren't making money off them

Congressional Budget Office (CBO): A CBO report on the effects of the immigration surge that began in 2021 on state and local budgets in 2023 estimated a direct net cost of $9.2 billion (spending of $19.3 billion vs. revenues of $10.1 billion). An alternative measure including broader potential effects estimated a net cost of $9.8 billion. The CBO also estimated that Medicaid-funded emergency services for illegal immigrants cost federal and state taxpayers more than $16.2 billion between FY 2017 and 2023.
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) / House Budget Committee: The House Budget Committee, citing data from CIS and FAIR, highlights the $150 billion annual net cost figure.

 

[BeardedVol]

You can only speed so long before ice THP catches you and you pay the consequences.

If getting caught is the difference between being "law abiding" and not, the the person here illegally is "law abiding" until they get caught.

The logic of your argument is pretty terrible.

 

[C-south]

And collectively adding nearly $100 billion/year to federal, state, and local tax coffers.

There are far more citizens that don't have insurance that are going to the ER as their primary care, and many are not contributing at anywhere near the tax footprint as the average illegal immigrant who is working in the US.

The citizen vs illegal shtick is always the dumbest excuse.

 

[BeardedVol]

Not relevant. They have a right to be here. The additional tax revenue doesn't change the increase in strain on those indeities I outlined. And we aren't making money off them

Congressional Budget Office (CBO): A CBO report on the effects of the immigration surge that began in 2021 on state and local budgets in 2023 estimated a direct net cost of $9.2 billion (spending of $19.3 billion vs. revenues of $10.1 billion). An alternative measure including broader potential effects estimated a net cost of $9.8 billion. The CBO also estimated that Medicaid-funded emergency services for illegal immigrants cost federal and state taxpayers more than $16.2 billion between FY 2017 and 2023.
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) / House Budget Committee: The House Budget Committee, citing data from CIS and FAIR, highlights the $150 billion annual net cost figure.

Their 'right to be here' isn't what you asked though, you asked what strain they were putting on

schools
healthcare
law enforcement

Illegal immigrants pay $96 billion in taxes across all fronts.

They also contribute $300 billion in consumer spending.

This idea that every illegal immigrant is sucking down thousands in government assistance, paying zero taxes, and just generally freeloading, is a myth that Republicans trot out to get their poorly-informed base riled up.

 

[volfanhill]

Their 'right to be here' isn't what you asked though, you asked what strain they were putting on

schools
healthcare
law enforcement

Illegal immigrants pay $96 billion in taxes across all fronts.

They also contribute $300 billion in consumer spending.

This idea that every illegal immigrant is sucking down thousands in government assistance, paying zero taxes, and just generally freeloading, is a myth that Republicans trot out to get their poorly-informed base riled up.

I never said any of that. And their existence does add a strain. Same as if you replaced them with all natural born citizens. This part isn't hard. And they are a net expense. We aren't making money off them. I provided the data in my previous post.

Its crictical that we have mass responsible immigration. Our financial future depends on it. I've got tons of posts saying as much.

 

[Orangeburst]

Illegals are a net drain on resources on a per capita basis, just as all poor. Fact. The $100B is just an estimate, which is pretty funny as the actual number of illegals isnt known, so how would one know the taxes collected?

Like saying if we accept 10M more, it will make us more prosperous. Ridiculous.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Do you think illegals don't put any strain on the following resources:

Schools
Healthcare
Law enforcement

That would be three very big areas that affect everyone

What affects did it have on you? None? Other than a talking point.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Not relevant. They have a right to be here. The additional tax revenue doesn't change the increase in strain on those areas I outlined. And we aren't making money off them

Congressional Budget Office (CBO): A CBO report on the effects of the immigration surge that began in 2021 on state and local budgets in 2023 estimated a direct net cost of $9.2 billion (spending of $19.3 billion vs. revenues of $10.1 billion). An alternative measure including broader potential effects estimated a net cost of $9.8 billion. The CBO also estimated that Medicaid-funded emergency services for illegal immigrants cost federal and state taxpayers more than $16.2 billion between FY 2017 and 2023.
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) / House Budget Committee: The House Budget Committee, citing data from CIS and FAIR, highlights the $150 billion annual net cost figure.

I dont trust the CIS and FAIR numbers at all. A group whose goal is to end all immigration (legal and illegal) with a history of misrepresentations...

The ITEP tax receipt numbers are absolute baloney and right in line with everything that far left group puts out. Yeah, the average illegal family of 6 isnt paying over 50,000 a year in taxes...

 

[appvol]

What affects did it have on you? None? Other than a talking point.

So if it doesn’t have an affect on you it doesn’t matter and it’s only a talking point. Was it a talking point when Democrats in the past had a different opinion on illegal immigrants. I would guess you don’t care about the families that have lost their life’s due to an illegal immigrant because that doesn’t affect you.

 

[FLVOL_79]

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As I said before…we can hear you breath.
Tone down the Beamer Bluetooth calls brother…
You wearin that silly SES pin-on today?

You right there and I caint make it today. You should go see my kin and pay some homage!!
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No one wears an SES pin. You got your Gulf War era MAGA hat on today? Lol.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Democrats sweep the big elections. MAGAs end days are nigh. Trumps late night twitter ragers are gonna be great.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Literally has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Speeding is a crime too, and you can't be "law abiding" if you aren't constantly flaunting the speed limit.

See how that nonsense works?

“Flaunting” and “flouting” are two different words, cables, and it’s hilarious that you consider these societal drains to be “relatively law-abiding” when their mere existence is unlawful every single moment that they are present in this nation.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Abbott vows to impose a ‘100% tariff’ on anyone moving from NYC to Texas after Election Day

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he’ll impose a 100% tariff on New Yorkers moving to Texas after Election Day amid the city’s heated Cuomo–Mamdani mayoral race.

www.foxnews.com

MAGA commie loon with bad TDS.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Looking over the last eight years, Trump may share one characteristic with Obama: he is only able to elect himself.

 

[Orangeburst]

Looking over the last eight years, Trump may share one characteristic with Obama: he is only able to elect himself.

Endorsements by Donald Trump, 2018-2026
Election year	Total endorsements	Primary endorsements	Primary success rate	General election endorsements	General election success rate
2026	112	112	0%	0	N/A
2025	8	5	80%	7	29%
2024	306	270	96%	288	89%
2023	7	3	67%	5	80%
2022	276	241	93%	254	83%
2021	5	3	100%	3	67%
2020	188	121	97%	182	78%
2019	10	5	80%	9	67%
2018	99	37	95%	95	59%

Not a good 2025, but small sample, and myth because the media plays it that way.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Endorsements by Donald Trump, 2018-2026
Election year	Total endorsements	Primary endorsements	Primary success rate	General election endorsements	General election success rate
2026	112	112	0%	0	N/A
2025	8	5	80%	7	29%
2024	306	270	96%	288	89%
2023	7	3	67%	5	80%
2022	276	241	93%	254	83%
2021	5	3	100%	3	67%
2020	188	121	97%	182	78%
2019	10	5	80%	9	67%
2018	99	37	95%	95	59%

Not a good 2025, but small sample, and myth because the media plays it that way.

I am only concerned with the general elections. Looking over those numbers only, the first thing that pops out to me is he endorsing those with higher electability? Kind of like claiming one is a great college football prognosticator but only picking games Alabama played in since 2008.

Women destroyed the Rs last night. I think Trump is doing a lot things that needed doing. But his manner of handling success turns a lot of folks off. Mid-terms I believe will be awful. Right now I think that dumbass Ossoff in Georgia is going to win.

 

[luthervol]

I am only concerned with the general elections. Looking over those numbers only, the first thing that pops out to me is he endorsing those with higher electability. Kind of like claiming one is a great college football prognosticator but only picking games Alabama played in since 2008.

Women destroyed the Rs last night. I think Trump is doing a lot things that needed doing doing. But his manner of handling success turns a lot of folks off. Mid-terms I believe will be awful. Right now I think that dumbass Ossoff in Georgia is going to win.

Dems won big in GA yesterday. 63% to 37%. I've never seen that type of statewide margin.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Dems won big in GA yesterday. 63% to 37%. I've never seen that type of statewide margin.

Welcome to more crime and election officials corruption that's to come, comrade.
Those in GA should be used to living under Dem rule by now. Nothing new there.