Trump is bailing out Argentina. ‘America first’ is becoming 'Trump first'.

[FLVOL_79]

I understand this may be difficult for you to comprehend but, yes, there are numerous financial routes Trump and his goons can use to benefit here. All of which can be done via 3rd parties resulting in transactions without fingerprints. If you fail to understand global stock / bond / currency markets, that's on you bro.

I dont think he can read.

 

[FLVOL_79]

What an ironic exercise in futility.

This entire conversation yet you failed to understand - since the beginning - that Trump bought Pesos - precisely what you described as being a "loser".



Thanks for the belly laugh.

If I just keep pretending something isn't true and pray hard enough, it won't be true! - MAGA 101

 

[MontyPython]

If I just keep pretending something isn't true and pray hard enough, it won't be true! - MAGA 101

It's funny to read some of the MAGA nonsense.

"When in doubt, just make sh*t up."
-Donald J. Trump

"Our new tariffs made sparkling gold-plated butterflies with diamond-encrusted wings fly out of my ass! THANKS, DONALD!"

- @hjeagle1vol

 

[FLVOL_79]

It's funny to read some of the MAGA nonsense.

"When in doubt, just make sh*t up."
-Donald J. Trump

"Our new tariffs made sparkling gold-plated butterflies with diamond-encrusted wings fly out of my ass! THANKS, DONALD!"

- @hjeagle1vol

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I like how they think anti maga is anti American. If you think America isn't the greatest country regardless of who is president, you might be a pinko commie.

maga is just a "let's own the liburals" cult that listens to Lee Greenwood and Kid Rock while crushing bud lights in the closet.

 

[appvol]

It's funny to read some of the MAGA nonsense.

"When in doubt, just make sh*t up."
-Donald J. Trump

"Our new tariffs made sparkling gold-plated butterflies with diamond-encrusted wings fly out of my ass! THANKS, DONALD!"

- @hjeagle1vol

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It’s funny how libs don’t care about what Democrats have done in the past. The only thing y’all have is TRUMP hate. If we Trump gets beef from another country to get prices down because of the shortage of cows in America y’all will be mad because the price came down. If Trump starts getting beef from Argentina instead of Brazil libs will be mad. From what you read beef cows numbers haven’t been this low in America since the 1950s. So yes you live in fantasyland

 

[Orangeslice13]

As long as we're not sending it to Iran for gay sesame street, or Guatemala for child sex changes.

Let’s stop sending money we don’t have to send…..anywhere outside the United States

 

[Orangeslice13]

I like how they think anti maga is anti American. If you think America isn't the greatest country regardless of who is president, you might be a pinko commie.

maga is just a "let's own the liburals" cult that listens to Lee Greenwood and Kid Rock while crushing bud lights in the closet.

Just like anyone who dares to disagree with a liberal is MAGA.

 

[BeardedVol]

You do realize that we won't see a profit unless we cash out of the Argentine peso, after it has appreciated, right?

 

[hog88]

The truth is Donald likely benefits financially from the Argentina deals. How would we ever find out? We wouldn't. He's purely a transactional person, so I'd wager he's getting his beak wet here... Just like any good mob boss would.

What other motivation does he really have to simultaneously hurt both our soybeans farmers and cattle ranchers while propping up Argentina's economy? It's ****ing Argentina.

MAKE ARGENTINA GREAT AGAIN!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!

USA Today:

...Farmers and cattle ranchers, like many others, got conned by Trump

Trump sees himself in Argentina’s president. He wants to bolster other far-right leaders because it helps him and his authoritarian dreams. He doesn’t care a bit about what Americans are paying for beef or how his actions might impact the farmers who have loyally supported him. He cares about Trump.

If he wants to buy foreign beef that will hurt U.S. cattle ranchers and do nothing to help U.S. consumers, he’ll do it. Your complaints, your anger, your expressions of betrayal don’t mean a thing.

Farming is brutally hard work, and I respect and appreciate the people who make it their livelihood. I want to see them prosper, just like I want affordable meat for myself and other shoppers.

But I hope the farmers and the consumers who stood behind Trump all these years and are now suffering see they’ve been sold lies by a con man. An insipid, damaging Argentina-first policy is just another part of the bill coming due.

I’m sure that if I looked I’d find similar posts by you decrying beef imports from Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia and New Zealand (two of which has banned US beef imports for years).

 

[hog88]

Our "stable genius" President bought Argentine Pesos with American Dollars. That's the swap.

He looked at the following graph and said, "Yeah, the Dollar is definitely NOT going to continue to rise against the Peso."

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Is it bad because Trump did it or were Clinton, Bush II and Obama’s currency swap bailouts better?

But in all seriousness, I agree that we shouldn’t be bailing out our bankers that made bad loans. Being an expert on economics I’m sure that you know that’s the real reason behind these foreign bailouts. Our bankers must get their interest payments.

 

[hog88]

Wow. Ok... at a 5th grade level:

Trump can profit (make money) in the currency (money that a country uses) market (the place where things are bought and sold) by selling the Argentina Peso. Or Trump could profit by buying or selling what's called a "commodity" (a raw material you can trade) like soybeans.

When you have advance knowledge of government actions that will affect the prices of currencies or commodities, you can trade such items in advance of the government action and then profit when their price goes up or down after the government action.

Again...

Tell us: What is Trump's motive in harming our soybean and cattle up industries? What happened to Trump's "America First" policy?

Do tell...

I thought Trump was stupid? How can a stupid person come up with such a convoluted and complicated scheme?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Just like anyone who dares to disagree with a liberal is MAGA.

Commie. changing things up.

 

[jmacvols1]

Is it bad because Trump did it

...and there it is

 

[MontyPython]

I thought Trump was stupid? How can a stupid person come up with such a convoluted and complicated scheme?

Trump is dumber than a bag of glass hammers.

Convoluted and complicated?

Trump: "How can I make money on this Argentina situation?"

Broker: "Well, Mr. President, if you are going to have the United States buy Argentina Pesos, then we can buy leveraged call options that will go up once you announce that the US is buying Pesos. Then we can sell immediately and you get a nice, leveraged pop."

Trump: "OK. Do it."

VERY, VERY COMPLICATED.

 

[hog88]

Convoluted and complicated?

Trump: "How can I make money on this situation?"

Broker: "Well, Mr. President, if you are going to have the United States buy Argentina Pesos, then we can buy leveraged call options that will go up once you announce that the US is buying Pesos. Then we can sell immediately and you get a nice, leveraged pop."

Trump: "OK. Do it."

VERY VERY COMPLICATED.

LOL

Why haven't you capitalized on the situation if it's so simple?

 

[MontyPython]

LOL

Why haven't you capitalized on the situation if it's so simple?

For the love of God man.

I didn't have *advance* knowledge that Trump was going to do the currency swap. Did you?

 

[hog88]

For the love of God man.

I didn't have *advance* knowledge that Trump was going to do the currency swap. Did you?

Of course I didn’t.

Do you have any evidence of Trump profiting off this or just throwing crap against the wall?

 

[MontyPython]

Of course I didn’t.

Do you have any evidence of Trump profiting off this or just throwing crap against the wall?

I have no tangible evidence other than the fact that his actions make absolutely no sense whatsoever and run 100% counter to his purported "AMERICA FIRST" maxim.

As always, I'm waiting for someone to 'splain me why Trump would hang our American farmers and ranchers out to dry while simultaneously bailing out some "sh*thole" country like Argentina.


### Background on the Issue
In October 2025, the Trump administration announced a $20-40 billion financial package (described variably as a bailout, loan, or investment) to support Argentina's economy under President Javier Milei, amid the country's ongoing fiscal crisis. This included currency swaps, debt relief, and economic aid. Shortly after, the U.S. proposed quadrupling beef imports from Argentina (from ~20,000 to 80,000 metric tons annually) to lower domestic beef prices, which have hit record highs due to drought, reduced herd sizes, and supply chain issues. Critics, including U.S. ranchers and agricultural groups, argue this undercuts American producers, who face bankruptcy risks without similar support. The move has sparked backlash from Trump's rural base, with accusations of contradicting his "America First" rhetoric—especially as Argentina redirected soybean exports to China, displacing U.S. farmers.

### Key Reactions and Quotes from Ranchers and Industry Leaders
American cattle ranchers, many of whom supported Trump in past elections, have expressed betrayal and fury. Below is a table summarizing notable quotes from ranchers, farmers, and related organizations, drawn from recent reports and statements:

| Source | Quote | Context |
|--------|-------|---------|
| **Kyle Hemmert**<br>61-year-old cattle rancher, western Kansas | “It’s really just a kick in the nuts. Come on President Trump, this is ‘America First’ policy? No.” | Speaking to *The New York Times* about the beef import plan flooding the market with cheaper Argentine meat while U.S. ranchers struggle with high feed costs and shrinking herds. |
| **Christian Lovell**<br>Illinois cattle farmer and senior director, Farm Action (nonpartisan farm org) | “If Trump goes through with what he outlined, I do believe it’s a betrayal of the American rancher.” | In a CNN interview, highlighting how the policy prioritizes foreign aid over domestic producers amid a government shutdown delaying U.S. farm support. |
| **Justin Tupper**<br>President, U.S. Cattlemen’s Association | “When policymakers hint at intervention or suggest quick fixes, they can shake the market’s foundation and directly impact the livelihoods of ranchers who depend on stable, transparent pricing.” | Press release criticizing the import quota hike as market chaos that won't lower grocery prices but will harm ranchers' incomes. |
| **Colin Woodall**<br>CEO, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association | “This plan only creates chaos at a critical time of the year for American cattle producers, while doing nothing to lower grocery store prices... We cannot stand behind the President while he undercuts the future of family farmers and ranchers.” | Statement to *USA Today* and *Newsweek*, noting the irony of tariffs on Brazilian beef while opening doors to Argentina, exacerbating U.S. herd reductions. |
| **Meriwether Farms**<br>Wyoming beef producer (X post) | “Absolute betrayal to the American cattle rancher.” | Social media reaction to the combined bailout and import deal, despite the farm's prior Trump support. |
| **Christopher Gibbs**<br>Ohio farmer and Shelby County Democratic Party chair (X post) | “Guess when you get tired of bending over soybean growers, you can move on to cattle ranchers.” | Referencing prior harm to soybean farmers from the bailout enabling Argentine exports to China, now extending to beef. |
| **Unnamed Florida rancher**<br>(via *USA Today*) | “The president's move to buy more beef from Argentina will harm the state's cattle industry.” | Collective sentiment from Florida producers, a key cattle state, fearing job losses and farm closures. |

### Broader Fallout
- **Political Backlash**: Republican lawmakers from farm states, like Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley ("Why would USA help bail out Argentina while they take American soybean producers’ biggest market???"), have publicly criticized the deal. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called it “a punch in the gut to all of our American cattle ranchers, and they are furious and rightfully so.”
- **Trump's Response**: Trump defended the moves on Truth Social and in interviews, claiming ranchers "don’t understand" his tariffs have helped them and urging them to "get their prices down." Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent claimed the Argentina investment has already turned a profit for the U.S.
- **Industry Impact**: Groups like the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund warn of "market foundation shaking," with imports unlikely to significantly dent consumer prices (set largely by meatpackers) but poised to depress rancher revenues by 10-15% in key states like Texas, Kansas, and Iowa.

This controversy highlights tensions in Trump's agricultural policy, with ranchers feeling sidelined despite past campaign promises. For more details, see coverage from *The Washington Post* and *CNN*.

 

[hog88]

I have no tangible evidence other than the fact that his actions make absolutely no sense whatsoever and run 100% counter to his purported "AMERICA FIRST" maxim.

As always, I'm waiting for someone to 'splain why Trump would hang our American farmers and ranchers out to dry while simultaneously bailing out another some "sh*thole" country like Argentina.

How is he "hanging our American farmers out to dry"?

Did you feel the same about the numerous other foreign bailouts by other presidents?

 

[MontyPython]

How is he "hanging our American farmers out to dry"?

Did you feel the same about the numerous other foreign bailouts by other presidents?

Go back and read the additional content I added.

I actually support foreign bailouts, where appropriate. But I'm not President. And I didn't promise to adopt his moronic "America First" policy. Makes no sense. Stinks of something else going on.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Go back and read the additional content I added.

I actually support foreign bailouts, where appropriate. But I'm not President. And I didn't promise to adopt his moronic "America First" policy. Makes no sense. Stinks of something else going on.

Seems to be cutting off any opportunity for China to intervene and gain a foothold there.

In other words, a continuation of American foreign policy since WWII - economic might leveraged to ensure security.

 

[hog88]

Go back and read the additional content I added.

I actually support foreign bailouts, where appropriate. But I'm not President. And I didn't promise to adopt his moronic "America First" policy. Makes no sense. Stinks of something else going on.

Let me guess, you supported the multiple bailouts of Mexico, South Korea, Moldova and Georgia along with 43 European banks?

Would I find any posts of yours bitching about tariffs and them raising the price of groceries?
We already import a crap ton of beef from several countries, a couple of those countries won't allow US beef imports in. So at least be consistent with your bitching.

 

[MontyPython]

Seems to be cutting off any opportunity for China to intervene and gain a foothold there.

In other words, a continuation of American foreign policy since WWII - economic might leveraged to ensure security.

Which I agree with. But Donald's "America First" policy? Why are we dropping $20 BILLION on Argentina, while our government here is closed and SNAP folks won't be getting food?

 

[hog88]

Which I agree with. But Donald's "America First" policy? Why are we dropping $20 BILLION on Argentina, while our government here is closed and SNAP folks won't be getting food?

That is two entirely different subjects. Unless you WANT him to break the law he couldn't direct that 20 billion to SNAP if he wanted to.

 

[MontyPython]

Let me guess, you supported the multiple bailouts of Mexico, South Korea, Moldova and Georgia along with 43 European banks?

Would I find any posts of yours bitching about tariffs and them raising the price of groceries?
We already import a crap ton of beef from several countries, a couple of those countries won't allow US beef imports in. So at least be consistent with your bitching.

Overview of US-Led Bailouts of Foreign Countries​

The United States has a long history of providing financial bailouts to foreign nations, often through direct loans, guarantees, or coordination with institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF), where the US holds significant influence as the largest shareholder. These interventions, dating back to the post-World War II era, aim to stabilize economies, prevent contagion, promote US strategic interests (e.g., countering communism or terrorism), and foster global trade. However, their effectiveness remains debated among economists, policymakers, and critics.


Historically, these bailouts have yielded mixed results: some have delivered clear economic and geopolitical benefits, accelerating recoveries and opening markets for US exports; others have prolonged crises through austerity measures, moral hazard (encouraging risky behavior by recipients expecting future rescues), and political backlash. Success often hinges on recipient-country reforms, the scale of aid relative to GDP, and alignment with US interests. Failures frequently stem from delayed debt restructuring, over-reliance on fiscal tightening, and ignoring local contexts.


Overall, while not uniformly "good" or "bad," evidence suggests they have been net positive for US policy when tied to strong conditionality and strategic goals (e.g., rebuilding allies), but detrimental when imposed without flexibility, leading to deeper recessions and eroded trust in multilateral institutions. A 2015 IMF literature review highlighted that bailouts can create a "Spiral of Doom" if austerity overlooks cultural and economic nuances. Recent analyses, like those from the Cato Institute, argue foreign aid (including bailouts) often retards growth by distorting incentives, while Brookings reviews find modest positive effects on growth (e.g., +1% per capita from sustained 10% GDP inflows).