For the Heupel isn't the guy crowd

#28
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Oldvoldad said:
On the recruiting note: He won't play them in year 1, so does it really matter what our freshman class looks like next year?

On the assistants note: He is responsible for every piece of the pie. Huepel hasn't shown any signs of making changes in the past. Why should we expect anything different?

I'm on board with keeping him next year, but it's playoffs or move on.
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Sanders,Campbell,Dye,Utley,Smith,Harmon,Jackson,Perlotte,Walton, and Redmond have all played against SEC teams and are all true Freshman. Yes you will see them play next year.
 
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farmdogvol said:
Sanders,Campbell,Dye,Utley,Smith,Harmon,Jackson,Perlotte,Walton, and Redmond have all played against SEC teams and are all true Freshman. Yes you will see them play next year.
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Redmond is playing due to injury. I question if Sanders should be playing. Our OL was better before we started rotating him in. As for the rest of those guys you named, getting a couple snaps here and there is not classified as playing.
 
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This is as fair and straight-shooting as I can be:

A great coach is more than a recruiter and overall game planner. Vince Lombardi said it best, “I’m successful, because I surround myself with successful people.” He was referring to more than good players! He was referring to his staff, team, management, etc. Lombardi also set the standard, showing up dressed for success in a 3-piece suit, tie, ready for work and looking the part.

Now ask yourself this. If you sat Heupel next to Lombardi, or General Neyland for that matter, what would be the first couple things that one would notice:

Dress, body language, appearance, mannerisms, professionalism (or lack thereof) an air of seriousness (or lack thereof)?

My point is this. I like Coach Heupel. I really do. And it’s easy to suggest he’s the greatest thing, well, since Lombardi, if you are near-sighted and slightly hyperbolic, and compare him with coaches of the last 20 years or so. Because the last 20 years has been like a Greek tragedy! But if you honestly compare him with true greatness then the contrast is more pronounced—the lines more stark.

Who does he surround himself with? Our defensive backfield has been bad since he arrived. Our defense is as inconsistent as ever since he arrived. One game they are NFL bound, the next game they can’t tackle and are penalty-proned! Our players have become more undisciplined each and every year…we all see it. Sure blame the refs, but every game? Our read option with 87% of the runs going up either the A or B-gap hasn’t changed (when your trick play is a guard pulling, um, that’s not a trick play since, well Lombardi in the 60s)!

I’m not a fire Heupel guy! I do like him but he’s not infallible. We need better in-game decisions (he simply doesn’t adjust well, never has) better in-game management (wear a wrist watch for Pete’s sake), we need better consistency on both sides of the ball and special teams as well (game prep is questionable). We need the second coming of the General to bring some sort of discipline to the team…coaches included. Because this is our largest stumbling block!

You can keep recruiting 4 and 5 star QBs and players, but if the leadership has no discipline and professionalism the coach will not be great—he will not surround Himself with successful people (see Banks and Martinez), he will not win the SEC, heck he might not even win the state championship (see Vandy)! He will be where we are today—good, but not great! GBO!
 
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I think he’s a good football coach. He’s not a championship coach. If you haven’t seen that yet, then you will eventually.
 
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BLUTickbusdriver said:
This is as fair and straight-shooting as I can be:

A great coach is more than a recruiter and overall game planner. Vince Lombardi said it best, “I’m successful, because I surround myself with successful people.” He was referring to more than good players! He was referring to his staff, team, management, etc. Lombardi also set the standard, showing up dressed for success in a 3-piece suit, tie, ready for work and looking the part.

Now ask yourself this. If you sat Heupel next to Lombardi, or General Neyland for that matter, what would be the first couple things that one would notice:

Dress, body language, appearance, mannerisms, professionalism (or lack thereof) an air of seriousness (or lack thereof)?

My point is this. I like Coach Heupel. I really do. And it’s easy to suggest he’s the greatest thing, well, since Lombardi, if you are near-sighted and slightly hyperbolic, and compare him with coaches of the last 20 years or so. Because the last 20 years has been like a Greek tragedy! But if you honestly compare him with true greatness then the contrast is more pronounced—the lines more stark.

Who does he surround himself with? Our defensive backfield has been bad since he arrived. Our defense is as inconsistent as ever since he arrived. One game they are NFL bound, the next game they can’t tackle and penalty-proned! Our players have become more undisciplined each and every year…we all see it. Sure blame the refs, but every game? Our read option with 87% of the runs going up either the A or B-gap hasn’t changed (when your trick play is a guard pulling, um, that’s not a trick play since, well Lombardi in the 60s)!

I’m not a fire Heupel guy! I do like him but he’s not infallible. We need better in-game decisions (he simply doesn’t adjust well, never has) better in-game management (wear a wrist watch for Pete’s sake), we need better consistency on both sides of the ball and special teams as well (game prep is questionable). We need the second coming of the General to bring some sort of discipline to the team…coaches included. Because this is our largest stumbling block!

You can keep recruiting 4 and 5 star QBs and players, but if the leadership has no discipline and professionalism he will not be great—he will not surround Himself with successful people (see Banks and Martinez), he will not win the SEC, heck he might not even win the state championship (see Vandy)! He will be where we are today—good, but not great! GBO!
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This is where Im at. I don’t think he should be fired and I wish he’d get better, but I don’t believe at all he’s going to compete for a championship here.
 
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Recruiting has been great especially on the offensive side of the ball but for CJH to get to the top of the mountain he’s going to have to bring in elite defense backs and LB’s that can cover in space
 
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Oldvoldad said:
Redmond is playing due to injury. I question if Sanders should be playing. Our OL was better before we started rotating him in. As for the rest of those guys you named, getting a couple snaps here and there is not classified as playing.
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Harmon, Perlotte, Walton, Poteat, and Redmond have played in all nine games. Utley has played in 8 games They are all part of the regular rotation not just playing a few snaps here and there. It is not like in the past where they only played in blowouts.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
This upcoming class is what they need about 3 or 4 cycles of to be where all the fans want us to be. I think we've been averaging around 12 or 13th for the past few years? That's enough for very good but not elite.
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With undisciplined play this program will never be elite irrespective of talent level.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
This upcoming class is what they need about 3 or 4 cycles of to be where all the fans want us to be. I think we've been averaging around 12 or 13th for the past few years? That's enough for very good but not elite.
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So he hasn't recruited where he should. There is no reason not to be recruiting even with Bama, Georgia, Texas, LSU at this point.
 
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OU doesn’t get that scoop and score and we go up 14 to 0; everyone here is singing a totally different tune today. Oklahoma would have been in catch up mode and would have had to totally scrap their offensive game plan.
 
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Oldvoldad said:
On the recruiting note: He won't play them in year 1, so does it really matter what our freshman class looks like next year?

On the assistants note: He is responsible for every piece of the pie. Huepel hasn't shown any signs of making changes in the past. Why should we expect anything different?

I'm on board with keeping him next year, but it's playoffs or move on.
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There's usually a really good reason why guys that were in high school the year before aren't starting in P4 football games...................
 
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Thanks to CJH we are on the same playing field talent wise with UGA Bama etc. He has to get better at in game decisions. I will say this…we are 3 plays away from potentially being undefeated. The missed FG against UGA, the pick 6 at the end of the first half against Bama and the missed 37 yard FG against OU. If he makes that it’s not a 2 score deficit at the end of that game
 
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Heupel’s first four seasons here have earned him the benefit of the doubt for one disappointing season.
Worst thing to do is to panic like every other team in CFB is doing right now
 
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Volador said:

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And I say, go look at our team this year. Plenty of talent on both sides of the field but once again, we are a doormat of the SEC. Not convinced at all that if the incoming class even makes it to Knoxville, that they will be our savior. You have to know how to coach good talent, and that is the by far over looming issue that faces this coaching staff. We had Nico - but he left. And so on, and so on.
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Doormat? Vols lose at least one more game if Nico's the qb, maybe two. Lucky to have the kid we do at QB1.

Would you trade places with Auburn, Arky, LSU, Florida, Miss State, UK, Hell even Texas or Vandy? Doormat?

Newsflash, the NIL and transfer portal day are here to stay. Stockpiling top 5 recruiting classes, keeping them happy for 3 years and stacking SEC championships is over.
 
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