Apathy

#51
#51
Woodlawn VOL said:
The goal is to be one of the top 12 teams year in and out. At Tennessee it isn’t unrealistic to be in that mix 2 out of 4 years minimum on average. With our resources that should be the goal and standard. Period. GBO! And the playoffs will be at 16 probably at some point and there is no reason the expectation should be to be there at least 50-60 percent of the time or more. GBO!In the SEC that better be your standard or your going to get waxed.
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It’s not the top 12 who get in, and we will have made it 50% of the time at the end of this season.
 
#52
#52
JMSqb11 said:
Not initially but Huepel elevated the expectations drastically with the quick turnaround in season 2. We are now 2.5 seasons removed from that year are struggling just to get back to 9 wins.
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Sure, but it seems insane to hold early success against him. And that’s exactly what many are doing
 
#53
#53
Vol8188 said:
Sure, but it seems insane to hold early success against him. And that’s exactly what many are doing
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He raised the expectations drastically after 2 seasons. We should not be using the state or the program he walked into as some measuring stick.

Heupel got rich from the success that he created. That also comes with elevated expectations annually. He doesn’t get to partake in the spoils and get cover from the shortcomings.
 
#54
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JMSqb11 said:
He raised the expectations drastically after 2 seasons. We should not be using the state or the program he walked into as some measuring stick.

Heupel got rich from the success that he created. That also comes with elevated expectations annually. He doesn’t get to partake in the spoils and get cover from the shortcomings.
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No, but I think that gives him some equity.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
He raised the expectations drastically after 2 seasons. We should not be using the state or the program he walked into as some measuring stick.
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Obviously we should. You have to accept the roster he took over and realize that alone caused many of the losses in his first 3 seasons. Even if he was able to over perform with that roster.

JMSqb11 said:
Heupel got rich from the success that he created. That also comes with elevated expectations annually. He doesn’t get to partake in the spoils and get cover from the shortcomings.
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To this point it’s hard to proclaim there are shortcomings. 9-3 would be meeting those expectations.
 
#57
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Vol8188 said:
Obviously we should. You have to accept the roster he took over and realize that alone caused many of the losses in his first 3 seasons. Even if he was able to over perform with that roster.



To this point it’s hard to proclaim there are shortcomings. 9-3 would be meeting those expectations.
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I’m sorry but making the roster argument from 4+ years ago is meaningless and irrelevant. It’s been a full recruiting class since he has taken the job. Once again, the state of the program he took over shouldn’t be the gauge for expectations.


9-3 would mean the following :

We failed to contend for a SEC Title
We failed to contend for the CFP
We failed to have a winning record against the big 3 Rivals
We got bowl eligible


There is not one single noteworthy accomplishment that we will have if we go 9-3.

Literally a repeat of 2023 and that season was memorable or significant for what exactly? Not a damn thing.
 
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#58
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We are eliminated from the playoffs. Apathy hasn’t come close to setting in for me. I am still excited about the rest of the season. Just because some fans think there is nothing to play for, I totally disagree.
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I too am looking forward to the next three games. I hope our players haven’t checked out like some of the fans.
 
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#59
BigOrangeTrain said:
So basically what you are saying is there are only 12 good teams in the nation. And what happens when a team makes the playoffs and gets boat raced in round 1? How is that better than making a good bowl game and winning it?

Some of you are strange.
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You would have rather skipped the playoff last year and won a bowl game instead?
 
#60
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JMSqb11 said:
I’m sorry but making the roster argument from 4+ years ago is meaningless and irrelevant. It’s been a full recruiting class since he has taken the job. Once again, the state of the program he took over shouldn’t be the gauge for expectations.


9-3 would mean the following :

We failed to contend for a SEC Title
We failed to contend for the CFP
We failed to have a winning record against the big 3 Rivals
We got bowl eligible


There is not one single noteworthy accomplishment that we will have if we go 9-3.

Literally a repeat of 2023 and that season was memorable or significant for what exactly? Not a damn thing.
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Not all seasons are going to be rememberable or significant. 9-3 is a solid season.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You would have rather skipped the playoff last year and won a bowl game instead?
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How is just making the playoffs somehow better than going to a quality bowl game and winning it? You don’t think it wouldn’t have been much better last year if we had beaten a quality opponent in a good bowl game as
Opposed to getting boat raced by OSU?
 
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#63
BigOrangeTrain said:
How is just making the playoffs somehow better than going to a quality bowl game and winning it? You don’t think it wouldn’t have been much better last year if we had beaten a quality opponent in a good bowl game as
Opposed to getting boat raced by OSU?
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Just to confirm, you would have rather skipped the playoffs last year and played in a meaningless bowl game just because a chance to win would be better?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How is just making the playoffs somehow better than going to a quality bowl game and winning it? You don’t think it wouldn’t have been much better last year if we had beaten a quality opponent in a good bowl game as
Opposed to getting boat raced by OSU?
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Win it all or fire the coach every year!
 
#66
#66
BigOrangeTrain said:
How is just making the playoffs somehow better than going to a quality bowl game and winning it? You don’t think it wouldn’t have been much better last year if we had beaten a quality opponent in a good bowl game as
Opposed to getting boat raced by OSU?
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Because literally NO ONE cares about the bowl games.
 
#70
#70
VolsSportsFan said:
If you actually think Memphis is better than us, you need to probably find something else to follow.
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Unfortunately my Memphis fan friends are letting me know they will make the playoffs this year and Tennessee will not..but I have doubts they will prob have to get past the mighy North Texas Mean Green in conf championship if they get there..
 
#71
#71
Gandalf said:
I will admit being a little checked out for the rest of this year since we can no longer get any meaningful prize. Now its CFP or nothing. Sure some meaningless bowl is probably fun for some of the players and being in one gives us extra practice time, so that is good but otherwise, what does it matter?

Pretty much dead as far as "the season" goes though - there is no "season" left - only 2 games of interest.

I cant help but watch the Florida game and hope we finally drain the swamp in spite of everything. Same with destroying Vandy just to ensure they stay in their proper place (as an anchor for Smokey to piddle on).

IF we get it, wont be super excited about a 9-3 season but I wont be massively upset either. Mostly looking to next year, who we have recruiting, etc.
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Just enjoy the ride this year. This is not a playoff caliber team. If by chance we made the playoffs, we’d likely be blown out. At this point just hoping we can find a way to finally win in Gainesville and then play spoiler to Vandy.
 
#73
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JMSqb11 said:
Yet 9-3 this year is a clear step backwards for the program for the first time Heupel has been here.
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Not all progress is linear. You get that, right?

When you lose your QB, offensive line, WRs, star RB, defensive line, and starting safeties all in the same year and you could add starting corners given they didn’t really play this season either
 
#74
#74
VolsSportsFan said:
This is bonkers to me.

So because we have a playoff now where 12 of the 120ish FBS teams get to play for the title (and really only about 4 of them tops probably have a legit shot), now 8-4, 9-3 isn't good enough? Why? It's not the NCAAT where 68 teams get in. That I can understand it being making the NCAAT should be the minimum goal of any P4 program that remotely takes basketball seriously.

This is all nostalgia glasses and the fact that in the old system, if you weren't #1 or #2 then you had to be happy with a Liberty Bowl or a Peach Bowl or whatever they came up with convince people that was an acceptable outcome. The concept is exactly the same, 9-3 now is still out of the NC picture just like it was in the "old" way. It's just now more teams get to play for it. Even when they go to 16 in the next few years it's still going to be a minority of teams.

I swear people just really get into some goofy mindsets because of the playoffs and it's really, really funny to me.
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NIL changed everything yall wanted it now you’ve got it!!!
 
#75
#75
Vol8188 said:
Not all progress is linear. You get that, right?

When you lose your QB, offensive line, WRs, star RB, defensive line, and starting safeties all in the same year and you could add starting corners given they didn’t really play this season either
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We didn’t lose receivers that mattered. Our offensive line gave up 30 sacks last year. Thru 9 games, we have given up 9 so using the offensive line changes make zero sense.

People swear we improved the QB position.

We let the safeties walk instead of just making what was would have been perceived as overpaying for continuity.

While we lost Sampson, our committee of running backs have done just fine.

The only issue that we couldn’t control was the corner injuries.

This year was very much a self imposed step back as of now if we were to finish 9-3.
 
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