Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
So you agree that people look at Muslims differently and more negatively than Jews or Christians or others, and are saying that's actually the correct approach because "there's a huge difference" that makes Muslims deserve it? If so then just say that
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Yes, I am saying people view Islam differently than other religions for the reason I stated in my prior post.

I did not say that Muslims deserve it, I do believe that Islam presents a unique threat compared to other religions as I stated prior.

It isn't really a matter of are you Muslim, rather what kind of Muslim are you? If you believe in what this country stands for you belong. If you want to supplant it and model it in the image of your religion you do not.

It's really that simple for me.
 
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KB5252 said:
I would argue the reason for the resistance to accepting Islam vs Judaism is that Judaism, Hinduism, etc aren't the threat to Western culture and values that Islam is. Islam, by the book isn't compatible with Western culture, specifically American culture and values. They are diametrically opposed.

Now that's not to say that all followers of Islam can't be good Americans and believe in the same freedoms we do, as we've already established there is a wide Gulf of Islamic beliefs and practice.

Judaism, nor any other major religion I'm aware of doesn't look to supplant the existing culture and law as Islam does, of course the bigger threat is going to be resisted.

Islam is a religion that encompasses the political and realm of law and in extreme cases consumes them both completely. Why shouldn't we be resistant and vigilant against that?
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I look at Islam like I do at Scientology, Mormonism, etc.

An ignorant set of people who based their religion on a nutjob con artist who tries to fit "world values" around the insane ramblings of a mad man.

The difference here is Mohammed as discussed before was a violent pedo slaver warmonger whose most devoted followers encourage the same kind of violence over and over again. At least the other two gutter religions are relatively harmless to others
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I look at Islam like I do at Scientology, Mormonism, etc.

An ignorant set of people who based their religion on a nutjob con artist who tries to fit "world values" around the insane ramblings of a mad man.

The difference here is Mohammed as discussed before was a violent pedo slaver warmonger whose most devoted followers encourage the same kind of violence over and over again. At least the other two gutter religions are relatively harmless to others
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I view it differently than you, I try to be respectful towards all religions, even if I obviously disagree. I try to view historical people through the lens of their time.

But yes, Mohammed was a slaver and he would absolutely be considered a pedophile today.
 
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KB5252 said:
I view it differently than you, I try to be respectful towards all religions, even if I obviously disagree. I try to view historical people through the lens of their time.

But yes, Mohammed was a slaver and he would absolutely be considered a pedophile today.
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I just don't respect those three "religions" the rest sure, I understand and respect both the historical and religious overtones of any other religion from Buddhism to Jehovah Witnesses (outside of Satanic ones obviously)

But one founded by an evil warmonger, one founded by a con artist and known liar, and one founded by a money grubbing sci fi writer in the 1970s?

Never! might as well be Jim Jones or David Koresh at this point
 
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McDad said:
Awesome!

What types of benefits am I entitled to now??
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Well the more you read up on the G-d of A. I, and J the more excited you’re going to be. We have a feast for everything.
Religiously speaking. We are the premier party people.

For example, Passover is coming up. Take part in the feast and see if you are not hammered at the end of it.
 
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KB5252 said:
I view it differently than you, I try to be respectful towards all religions, even if I obviously disagree. I try to view historical people through the lens of their time.

But yes, Mohammed was a slaver and he would absolutely be considered a pedophile today.
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Judaism is different in one very meaningful way. We don’t try to convert anyone. We don’t go out and try to make anyone join us. You are welcome too if you choose but we’ve never had to threaten to kill anyone if they don’t convert.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I look at Islam like I do at Scientology, Mormonism, etc.

An ignorant set of people who based their religion on a nutjob con artist who tries to fit "world values" around the insane ramblings of a mad man.

The difference here is Mohammed as discussed before was a violent pedo slaver warmonger whose most devoted followers encourage the same kind of violence over and over again. At least the other two gutter religions are relatively harmless to others
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KB5252 said:
Yes, I am saying people view Islam differently than other religions for the reason I stated in my prior post.

I did not say that Muslims deserve it, I do believe that Islam presents a unique threat compared to other religions as I stated prior.

It isn't really a matter of are you Muslim, rather what kind of Muslim are you? If you believe in what this country stands for you belong. If you want to supplant it and model it in the image of your religion you do not.

It's really that simple for me.
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You are saying it's justified, though. If Muslims specifically should be subject to a screening of personal beliefs in order for them to be American, then you are advocating for it. Every type of discrimination like this is pretextually premised on "security," you would have loved the internment camps back in the day
 
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KB5252 said:
I would argue the reason for the resistance to accepting Islam vs Judaism is that Judaism, Hinduism, etc aren't the threat to Western culture and values that Islam is. Islam, by the book isn't compatible with Western culture, specifically American culture and values. They are diametrically opposed.

Now that's not to say that all followers of Islam can't be good Americans and believe in the same freedoms we do, as we've already established there is a wide Gulf of Islamic beliefs and practice.

Judaism, nor any other major religion I'm aware of doesn't look to supplant the existing culture and law as Islam does, of course the bigger threat is going to be resisted.

Islam is a religion that encompasses the political and realm of law and in extreme cases consumes them both completely. Why shouldn't we be resistant and vigilant against that?
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So, you went from implying that Islamophobia is somehow less accepted than antisemitism:
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If something similar had been posted about Muslim or Arab peoples the outcry would be immediate and loud.
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to "yes there is more resistance against Islam, and in fact, there should be."
KB5252 said:
I would argue the reason for the resistance to accepting Islam vs Judaism is that Judaism, Hinduism, etc aren't the threat to Western culture and values that Islam is. Islam, by the book isn't compatible with Western culture, specifically American culture and values. They are diametrically opposed...

Islam is a religion that encompasses the political and realm of law and in extreme cases consumes them both completely. Why shouldn't we be resistant and vigilant against that?
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Like I said, could have just said that directly. Thank you.
 
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KB5252 said:
I did not say that Muslims deserve it, I do believe that Islam presents a unique threat compared to other religions as I stated prior.
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"I did not say that they deserve it," but you do apparently believe that the "unique threat" makes it justified. This is the problem with bothsides people, the stances are just nothing. Is it right or is it wrong?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Well the more you read up on the G-d of A. I, and J the more excited you’re going to be. We have a feast for everything.
Religiously speaking. We are the premier party people.

For example, Passover is coming up. Take part in the feast and see if you are not hammered at the end of it.
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So excited!
I love ribs, pork chops, and bacon. I bet the feast is loaded with good stuff.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You are saying it's justified, though. If Muslims specifically should be subject to a screening of personal beliefs in order for them to be American, then you are advocating for it. Every type of discrimination like this is pretextually premised on "security," you would have loved the internment camps back in the day
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I never advocated screening. I have you my opinion based on what I know and understand of Islam. If you believe in our freedoms and support our constitution you absolutely have a place here. If you do not and want to turn it into a religious theocracy,v we really don't need you here.

I'm giving you my opinion. No I wouldn't have been for the internment camps, never have been. If you feel someone isn't willing to live here under our freedoms but wants to subvert it simply deport them and or revoke citizenship.
 
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NashVol11 said:
So, you went from implying that Islamophobia is somehow less accepted than antisemitism:

to "yes there is more resistance against Islam, and in fact, there should be."

Like I said, could have just said that directly. Thank you.
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Jesus dude, I'm literally done interacting with you. I've attempted to be cool but I feel like all you do is argue and keep coming back for bites. I'm simply not going to discuss anything with you in good faith anymore.

Have a great one
 
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KB5252 said:
Jesus dude, I'm literally done interacting with you. I've attempted to be cool but I feel like all you do is argue and keep coming back for bites. I'm simply not going to discuss anything with you in good faith anymore.

Have a great one
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That’s what happens. You were engaging in good faith and being respectful to him and he started to bully you.
 
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KB5252 said:
Jesus dude, I'm literally done interacting with you. I've attempted to be cool but I feel like all you do is argue and keep coming back for bites. I'm simply not going to discuss anything with you in good faith anymore.

Have a great one
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There is a group for sure that think the last one to post regarding an issue is the "winner" in their minds.
 
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