Israel vs Palestinians II

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Vol8188 said:
Initially ignore nuance all you wish. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
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“Our judgment day can’t come until you kill all the Jews”

“Ya we really didn’t know their intentions until 10/7”

This is why I said i don’t gaf about your opinion on this. You’re intellectually dishonest it’s ridiculous
 
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KB5252 said:
Let me be clear in case I've neglected to say it earlier. I'm not apprehensive because he has no bearing on me or my life.

I'm speaking for those that have reservations about him like I do. If their main apprehension about him is because he's a Muslim they're missing the target IMO. It's unlikely he's of the faith we have been discussing. His policies are the real issue. But people in New York are taxed so much unless they are upper or at least upper middle class they have no choice but to be dependent on government.
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At some point you'll realize you're debating an toidi. Once you figure out he's indoctrinated, you'll realize that your reasonable approach is as feckless as McCain and Romney thinking they were conservatives able to hang out in the leftist social club. Bless your heart.
 
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Smokey123 said:
“Our judgment day can’t come until you kill all the Jews”

“Ya we really didn’t know their intentions until 10/7”

This is why I said i don’t gaf about your opinion on this. You’re intellectually dishonest it’s ridiculous
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lol I’m being intellectually dishonest? Are you projecting?

Once again: you’re using the benefit of hindsight to falsely pretend this was some intentionally evil act, and it’s about as intellectually dishonest as anyone could ever be.
 
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Vol8188 said:
lol I’m being intellectually dishonest? Are you projecting?

Once again: you’re using the benefit of hindsight to falsely pretend this was some intentionally evil act, and it’s about as intellectually dishonest as anyone could ever be.
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“Kill all the Jews” - Hamas 1987
 
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Smokey123 said:
“Kill all Jews”
Vol8188: “ya but we really don’t know their intentions or the context”

You’ve done more outright defending of Hamas and yassin than anyone I’ve seen in this thread. You’re pathetic
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You’ve acted like a complete child over a minor disagreement. I’m not the pathetic one here. Hate to break it to you
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’ve acted like a complete child over a minor disagreement. I’m not the pathetic one here. Hate to break it to you
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Saying we didn’t know their intentions until 10/7, yassin wasn’t bad, we need context, etc isn’t a minor disagreement.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Saying we didn’t know their intentions until 10/7, yassin wasn’t bad, we need context, etc isn’t a minor disagreement.
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Literal people on this board claiming Israel was behind 911. You didn’t even respond.

But yeah, the guy telling you that many people (never even said I was one) questioned if Hamas should even be still considered a terrorist group prior to 10-7….I’m the Hamas support.

Drugs…
 
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Vol8188 said:
Literal people on this board claiming Israel was behind 911. You didn’t even respond.

But yeah, the guy telling you that many people (never even said I was one) questioned if Hamas should even be still considered a terrorist group prior to 10-7….I’m the Hamas support.

Drugs…
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Sure thing bud. Yassin was a human rights hero and Hamas was changing their stance from Kill the Jews to… uhh peace and harmony with their Jewish brothers

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Vol8188 said:
Literally nothing I’ve ever said. Drugs…
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So what was Hamas intentions? What does it mean when they put in their charter judgment day can’t come until you kill all the Jews hiding behind the rocks? What does it mean when Yassin triples the amount of mosques and propagandizes children through charity work because he believed the PLO was too secular and he wanted an extremist state?
 
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Smokey123 said:
So what was Hamas intentions? What does it mean when they put in their charter judgment day can’t come until you kill all the Jews hiding behind the rocks? What does it mean when Yassin triples the amount of mosques and propagandizes children through charity work because he believed the PLO was too secular and he wanted an extremist state?
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lol now you’re going to dishonestly pretend you’re trying to have a normal conversation? Lol stfu
 
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This is why the Arab colonizers hate Israel so much. They got rid of everyone except those stubborn Jews.

 
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EasternVol said:
There were a couple of families that did that where I grew up in Virginia. I forget the denomination but it was Protestant.
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I know that's really common in places like India and middle east, and now that you mention it I think I have heard of a strict Christian religious group that does this.

Isn't it crazy how some sects zero in on a very specific piece of scripture and obsess on it? Like the groups that take up serpents in East Tennessee and Kentucky
 
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MAD said:
He isn’t your average Muslim. Stop lying.
This is very scary.

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The "Holy Land 5" refers to five former leaders of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF), once the largest Muslim charity in the United States, who were convicted in 2008 of funneling millions of dollars to the Palestinian group Hamas
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The convictions
After the HLF was designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. government in 2001, its assets were frozen and five of its leaders were charged with providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Following a 2007 mistrial, the men were convicted in a second trial in 2008. They received sentences ranging from 15 to 65 years.

The convicted men were:

  • Shukri Abu Baker: Co-founder and CEO, sentenced to 65 years.
  • Ghassan Elashi: Co-founder and chairman, sentenced to 65 years.
  • Mufid Abdulqader: Board member, sentenced to 20 years. He was released in December 2024 after serving 16 years.
  • Abdulrahman Odeh: Representative, sentenced to 15 years. He was released in 2020.
  • Mohammed El-Mezain: Endowments director, sentenced to 15 years. He was released in 2022.

The controversy
The case has been highly contentious, sparking significant debate about the nature of charity and the use of evidence in post-9/11 terrorism cases.

Key points of the controversy include:
  • Conflicting narratives: The prosecution successfully argued that HLF funneled money to committees controlled by Hamas. However, the defense claimed the funds were for legitimate humanitarian aid and that the zakat committees were not on any government blacklist at the time.
  • Questionable legal procedures: Critics have highlighted the government's use of "secret evidence" that was not fully disclosed to the defense, as well as hearsay evidence and mistranslated materials.
  • Lengthy sentences: Human rights groups, including the ACLU, have condemned the sentences as "draconian".
  • Advocacy for release: Campaigns like #FreeTheHLF5 were launched to call for the release of the imprisoned men.
  • Accusations of propaganda: Conversely, some groups, such as Canary Mission, have characterized the campaign to free the Holy Land 5 as part of a broader "propaganda war" that has had devastating consequences.

Documentary and books
The story has been the subject of several books and a documentary:
  • Books: Miko Peled's 2018 book, Injustice: The Story of the Holy Land Foundation Five, detailed the trial and its aftermath. Another book by attorney John T. Boyd, The Holy Land Foundation Case: The Collapse of American Justice, also scrutinizes the legal proceedings.
  • Documentary: In 2022, a two-part documentary titled The Holy Land 5 was released, directed by Mohammad Omar.
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Kudos for mentioning the concerns about their trial. There was also the issue of anonymous witnesses. The 5 look to have been railroaded.
 
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