Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
You keep dancing around it. Charlie Kirk and many many others were acting like NYC "forgot 9/11" because they're electing a Muslim mayor. Laura Loomer said Islam should be outlawed. There have been cartoons showing Zohran as a plane flying toward the WTC and as a long-nosed Muslim - that looks nothing like he actually looks - slicing the Big Apple in half. The Cuomo campaign put his picture on ads but darkened and lengthened his beard to make him look scarier. That is all outright bigotry that you are describing as justified apprehension somehow
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They do that for clicks and attention. I'm not dancing around anytime, it's not my thoughts.
 
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“Hamas is evil that wants to kill every Jew and started way before 10/7”
“You cant criticize Israel for funding them for decades” if ur saying that to dunk on the hypocrites go for it. If that’s your genuine opinion maybe look in the mirror
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I agree. They should have annexed Gaza decades ago. Even now we’re just setting up for the next phase of the conflict.

So you’re saying Israel should have taken over Gaza by force years ago instead of giving money and working towards peace?

Or am I misunderstanding your point?
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My point expands beyond the Israel / Arab conflict. In general i don't think it's smart to support an enemy.
Id prefer Israel to own all the land promised them by I AM. But it doesn't matter to me because I do not believe an earthly end to the conflict is possible.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So if this deal does last you’ll praise Trump for it? Or just show up to make sarcastic remarks?
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As you know, the history of this conflict has a nasty manner of repeating itself. Trump isn't the first one to attempt to solve it. Others have recognized the fact that it's actually up to the warring factions to ultimately figure it out. There wouldn't be any sarcasm if Trump and his allegiant minions weren't sticking their chests out about some temporary cease fire.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Also, it's not just "unlikely." There's no reason to assume someone is secretly a fundamentalist who beats women for not wearing hijabs unless they have given you a reason (not just "being Muslim") to assume that. His wife is an objectively beautiful woman that doesn't wear a hijab at all
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Just because he doesn't do it doesn't mean he wouldn't look the other way to advance Islam, I'm not saying he would or wouldn't but it's being advanced in western countries all over the world right now. As I said earlier, perhaps in another post, good Muslims seem to step aside and fall in line in countries where fundamentalists step in as a duty of faith.

The reason one would assume things such as this is beatings of women, honor killings/violence are all very common across the Islamic world, even the more advanced nations like Turkey, The Gulf nations etc.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
As you know, the history of this conflict has a nasty manner of repeating itself. Trump isn't the first one to attempt to solve it. Others have recognized the fact that it's actually up to the warring factions to ultimately figure it out. There wouldn't be any sarcasm if Trump and his allegiant minions weren't sticking their chests out about some temporary cease fire.
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A simple “no” would have sufficed
 
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Smokey123 said:
“Hamas is evil that wants to kill every Jew and started way before 10/7”
“You cant criticize Israel for funding them for decades” if ur saying that to dunk on the hypocrites go for it. If that’s your genuine opinion maybe look in the mirror
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If you don’t accept that geopolitics isn’t always black and white, you’re intentionally behaving like a child.

Anyone who proclaims they desired a 2 state solution, has no right to criticize Israel for aiding the people of Gaza. It’s an absurd stance.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you don’t accept that geopolitics isn’t always black and white, you’re intentionally behaving like a child.

Anyone who proclaims they desired a 2 state solution, has no right to criticize Israel for aiding the people of Gaza. It’s an absurd stance.
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You proclaimed Yasser Arafat wasn’t a terrorist, I could not care less what your opinion on this is. Hell you didn’t even know how and when Hamas started
 
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Smokey123 said:
“Hamas is evil that wants to kill every Jew and started way before 10/7”
“You cant criticize Israel for funding them for decades” if ur saying that to dunk on the hypocrites go for it. If that’s your genuine opinion maybe look in the mirror
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So how should Israel have proceeded to promote peace with Gaza?

It strikes me there’s a lot of Midless bitching about Israel giving money instead of subversion of the government of Gaza. And in that mindless bitching is a series lack of any opinions of a better plan.
 
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McDad said:
Am I the only one who thinks it's stupid to give money to an enemy?
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Yes but you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The money was intended for the Palestinian people, but Hamas always skims and advances their agenda. But the Palestinians still support Hamas.

This peace is never going to work, as long as the Palestinians are set on the destruction of Israel no lasting peace can be made.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So how should Israel have proceeded to promote peace with Gaza?

It strikes me there’s a lot of Midless bitching about Israel giving money instead of subversion of the government of Gaza. And in that mindless bitching is a series lack of any opinions of a better plan.
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You can’t have peace unless both parties want it

And it didn’t just start the last 20 years. The first mistake started in the 70’s with Yassin

The safety of your own citizens exceed being “friendly” with the state that wants u dead
 
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Smokey123 said:
I meant Ahmed yassin
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Also don’t believe I ever said that. My argument has been that at various times Hamas and their current commitment to terrorism has been questionable. I think everyone would agree that prior to 10-7-23 many people questioned if Hamas was actually changing and possibly focused on trying to build peace. Instead it was a facade.

But you don’t get to apply revisionist history and pretend like because you know the outcome of October 7th, that their intent was always the same and clear. That denies reality.

The reality is highly nuanced. Initially the group was not focused on civilian attacks but rather only attacks against IDF members. That seemed to change around the mid 90s when they began the type of bombings we would associate with modern terrorism.

Then we had a more recent period of relative peace where the majority of the world was encouraging the US, the West in general, and more importantly Israel to basically give Hamas a chance and treat them as a legitimate government rather than a terrorist organization. I think it’s absurd to pretend that was some great evil.

Now many in this thread who would have openly promoted such cooperation (I wouldn’t put you in that group) are intentionally misrepresenting that some nefarious move designed to keep BN in power by shedding the blood of his people. It’s disgusting and insane.
 
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Smokey123 said:
You did in the last thread. Multiple times. That was your defense of Israel’s involvement with him
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Initially ignore nuance all you wish. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

Edit: intentionally
 
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