We will have to average 50-60 PPG against OU, UF and VU

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cgrish said:
They are not, but we have problems playing well at Fla.
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Hopefully, the game being in November rather than September will help with that a bit. It also would be nice if it ends up being an afternoon game rather than a night game.
 
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deatojl said:
Georgia scored 43 on Ole Miss in regulation. It took an OT TD for them to get 44 against us. Arkansas scored 35 on Ole Miss and 42 on A&M, which are both more than the 31 they scored on us even after the two late fourth quarter TDs. Bama scored more on Vandy's defense(30) than they did on ours(28). Keep in mind, our offense gave up 9 points to Bama. They also scored 27 on Mizzou's defense. Mississippi St scored more on Texas' defense than ours. Kentucky is the only outlier. Has our defense been porous? Of course it has. It's not as god awful atrocious as many of you want to make it out to be, though.
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Do you claim we only scored 38 against UGA or do you claim it was a 40 point day? A game is a game.

Ok? They scored 28 on ours. That is more than 27. And even South Carolina held them to fewer points.

This defense is 15th out of 16 in total points allowed and Average/gm. One of 3 to average 30+ points allowed/gm. But sure, that's just great.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Until the offense has a terrible day. Find me a season where an offense doesn't have a dud game all season. If/when that happens, and the defense plays like this, it's going to be a long day.

And wanting better play instead of just accepting it is not "cowering and being scared". Why you are so accepting of the terrible play shows you are fine with mediocrity.

And the reason for going for 2 down 10 is because there was no faith in getting 2 stops. Going for 2 tried to make it a 1 possession game instead of 2. If there was any amount of faith in the defense to get the ball back twice, that wouldn't have happened.
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Heupel going for 2 that early in the 3rd quarter was dumb because if we didn't convert it, we eliminate staying within 2 score game the minute Bama scored next. Our defense which forces turnovers at a very high clip also got a takeaway after that scoring drive. We did nothing with it, but by kicking to FG to make it a 9 point game, you make it one possession with a field goal at worst or a 2 point game with a touchdown at best case. Heupel was an idiot to chase points like that. Just like Venables was this past week against Ole Miss and Beamer was against Bama. There is no shortage of coaching getting too smart and trying chase points when they don't have to.

We were down 30-13 at the start of the 4th quarter instead of 30-14 which is a 2 score game and keeps things alive if you get a touchdown.

And I find it rich you said that there "was no faith in getting stops", but a couple sentences above, you are crying about people "accepting terrible play" aka reality.

Such crybabies we have in this fanbase.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Do you claim we only scored 38 against UGA or do you claim it was a 40 point day? A game is a game.

Ok? They scored 28 on ours. That is more than 27. And even South Carolina held them to fewer points.

This defense is 15th out of 16 in total points allowed and Average/gm. One of 3 to average 30+ points allowed/gm. But sure, that's just great.
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Scoring average should technically be about 4-5 points lower (currently 30.9 PPG)

While it is still high, we average about 4-5 points per game on defense. That doesn't account for the fact we force turnovers at a high clip that results in the offense getting a very short field.

So yes the overall stat line looks bad, but context matters.

Bama had 4 scoring drives. Kentucky had 5 scoring drives yet we scored on one to give them net 4 scoring drives.

There should be a case study about this defense after the season. Because we get sacks and turnovers yet give up a lot of yards and points.

The Sunseri comparisons by some really show how much brain rot people have and are incapable of critical thinking. This defense is nothing close to that one considering how near bottom in sacks and takeaways that defense was.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Do you claim we only scored 38 against UGA or do you claim it was a 40 point day? A game is a game.

Ok? They scored 28 on ours. That is more than 27. And even South Carolina held them to fewer points.

This defense is 15th out of 16 in total points allowed and Average/gm. One of 3 to average 30+ points allowed/gm. But sure, that's just great.
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No, I don't make that claim. In the same amount of game time(regulation), though, Ole Miss allowed more points. Even if you include the OT TD, it was still a 1 point difference.
Yes, 28 is 1 more than 27...huge difference. 28 is less than 30, though, in case you are unaware.
I see you conveniently forgot to respond to the Arkansas and Miss. St. results.
You were the one claiming that our defense routinely allows more points than our opponents have scored against any other conference teams. That claim is patently false.
I have never claimed the defense is great. The facts are bad enough, no need to go way overboard in embellishment of how bad they are.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
There should be a case study about this defense after the season. Because we get sacks and turnovers yet give up a lot of yards and points.
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It is odd. I think pace of our offense and the fact that when we are clicking offensively, we do give the opposing team more opportunities with the ball - 2-4 more per game than those teams that don't score quickly.
 
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deatojl said:
No, I don't make that claim. In the same amount of game time(regulation), though, Ole Miss allowed more points. Even if you include the OT TD, it was still a 1 point difference.
Yes, 28 is 1 more than 27...huge difference. 28 is less than 30, though, in case you are unaware.
I see you conveniently forgot to respond to the Arkansas and Miss. St. results.
You were the one claiming that our defense routinely allows more points than our opponents have scored against any other conference teams. That claim is patently false.
I have never claimed the defense is great. The facts are bad enough, no need to go way overboard in embellishment of how bad they are.
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It's not embellishment, it's a trend and what it is.

Yes, Mississippi State scored that many on Texas. It was a bad day for Texas. That's the only game they've given up over 28 points (Florida scored a safety, so only 27 were given up since we're playing that game).

Same logic applies for Arkansas. A&M has only given up over 23 points once (LSU also scored a safety so only scored 23).

If it was a random/bad game, nobody would be saying anything, but it's not. Tennessee hasn't allowed fewer than 28 yet this season, and that only happened once. This incredibly high lean on the offense is going to take it's toll at some point, because even in that game with the fewest allowed points, the offense sputtered and didn't score enough points to win even taking away the defensive scores.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
we will outgun Oklahoma at home in Neyland but it will definitely be a shootout I expect Tennessee wins 56-49. from what I saw of Oklahoma today they suck balls on offense. they should have taken care of ole miss and they got rolled.we will take them out.
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With the clock rules that have been in place for a few years I doubt we see many games like this again in our lifetimes. Hell, Ole Miss and UGA scored on almost every single possession (and UGA actually did) and they still only scored 78 combined points. IMO, 100+ point games are going by the way of the dinosaur. There hasn't been a single 100+ point game in 2025 so far. There was only one between FBS teams last year and only one the year before that.
 
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We will have to average 50-60 PPG against OU, UF and VU​

I respectfully disagree with you UTFranklinVol. I believe we will need TRIPLE DIGITS.
 
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#166
Sooner fan here

OU under Brent is playing great defense at times , especially stopping the run and pressuring the QB
offense better than last year disaster, but not that good to score 30 po it’s away .
OU pass protection has vulnerabilities and angular willl have success with the long ball.
Tennessee wins 34- 24 .
the feeling at OU is Brent is out of his depth, made so many mistakes on the offense side ,and the new AD will make a change if Brent cannot win at least 8 games this season and get to the playoffs next year. The feeling is Mateer , while a definite upgrade from Jackson Arnold ( who also got benched at Auburn ) ,Brent and Seth littrel somehow thought Arnold was better than dillon gabriel and let him go to Oregon to give Arnold his space. After his injury, Mateer has slipped and is making too many mistakes , picks and missed many reads that lost OU the texas and ole miss games .
the offensive line issues continue and run game has stagnated. Brent is seen as a great defensive coordinator but not as a head coach yet . New AD has not been hired yet and by next season a decision will be made on Brent .
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Our defense held Kentucky to 5 scoring drives out of 12 possessions. Oh and by the way, one of those 7 possessions we didn’t allow a score, we got a defensive touchdown.

But sure keep crying about something that won’t change overnight or this week or this season.
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So has the SEC become west coast football,where 5 scores are now acceptable for our defense to give up against an unranked SEC second tier team.Oh and keep the wise cracks to yourself.Not interested in petty squabbling.
 
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Misplaced Vol said:
So has the SEC become west coast football,where 5 scores are now acceptable for our defense to give up against an unranked SEC second tier team.Oh and keep the wise cracks to yourself.Not interested in petty squabbling.
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This is the playoff era. The whole season is survive and advance.

We are 8 games into the season and the defense is not going to flip the script in one week or overnight. Deal with it. Quit crying about it.
 
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2EastTnVols said:
If you think we hold OU to 20 or 24 points you are much more optimistic than I am
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From an OU fan , Mateer is not that good. OU fans want OU to run it and don’t believe he can win with his arm after texas and ole Miss losses and interceptions and 1 yard per rush average . If the run game struggles , Tennesssee will beat us by at least 14.
 
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