Israel vs Palestinians II

[MAD]

Bassem Youssef has two different messages—one for the West and another for the Middle East. He went on Egyptian TV and essentially told viewers: I tricked Piers Morgan. I said Hamas is a terrorist organization—not because I believe it, but because it allowed me to have two hours to attack Israel.​

 

[OrangeTsar]

About that whole “Hama doesn’t still represent the Palestinian people” bit…..

 

[KB5252]

I've seen a couple of really vile antisemetic videos on Facebook recently. Looked into them a little and found them on multiple sites.

I'm taking about cartoons with tropes depicting "evil" Jews pulling the strings behind all wars since WWI. These funny star to be isolated.

If something similar had been posted about Muslim or Arab peoples the outcry would be immediate and loud.

I'm following what is happening in Africa and it's really eye opening the standard to which genocide applies. For the record I think the West is complicit in remaining ignorant. I'm talking Christians hands being bound behind their backs, then ropes attached to those bindings and effectively hung by their wrists with their hands behind their backs, suffocated after hours of intense pain. The lucky ones are mowed down by vehicles or shot like animals while fleeing armed convoys. Women raped and violated before being killed.

 

[McDad]

About that whole “Hama doesn’t still represent the Palestinian people” bit…..

do you know if surveys of Palestinians are limited to those in Gaza and are they taken anonymously?

 

[Smokey123]

About that whole “Hama doesn’t still represent the Palestinian people” bit…..

Oh we follow what PCPSR says now? So you also think the death toll is significantly higher than reported? The IDF released documents showing Hamas inflating pcpsr’s numbers.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I've seen a couple of really vile antisemetic videos on Facebook recently. Looked into them a little and found them on multiple sites.

I'm taking about cartoons with tropes depicting "evil" Jews pulling the strings behind all wars since WWI. These funny star to be isolated.

If something similar had been posted about Muslim or Arab peoples the outcry would be immediate and loud.

I'm following what is happening in Africa and it's really eye opening the standard to which genocide applies. For the record I think the West is complicit in remaining ignorant. I'm talking Christians hands being bound behind their backs, then ropes attached to those bindings and effectively hung by their wrists with their hands behind their backs, suffocated after hours of intense pain. The lucky ones are mowed down by vehicles or shot like animals while fleeing armed convoys. Women raped and violated before being killed.

Jew hate is irrational. And it’s everywhere. It’s been that way my entire 56 years. I don’t waste my time trying to correct them. I prefer to let them speak so I know who they are.

You make a valid point and it’s honestly why the word “Genocide” doesn’t mean anything anymore.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Oh we follow what PCPSR says now? So you also think the death toll is significantly higher than reported? The IDF released documents showing Hamas inflating pcpsr’s numbers.

Uh, I thing you have me pegged on the wrong side here friend.
I strongly support Israel and the bravery of the IDF.
My reason for linking this was in response to the resident “anti Zionist” denizens of this board who have consistently asserted that Hamas is not supported by the Palestinian people. Thus claiming that Israel is committing crimes by killing civilians.
I have continually pointed out that Hamas was freely elected by the Palestinians and that they continue to endorse their evil actions.
When you put a government in place and continue to support it, you cannot complain about the consequences of your choice.
Oh, and I also believe that the Hamas controlled “Gaza Health Ministry” has never failed to inflate their already fictional death counts.

 

[Smokey123]

Uh, I thing you have me pegged on the wrong side here friend.
I strongly support Israel and the bravery of the IDF.
My reason for linking this was in response to the resident “anti Zionist” denizens of this board who have consistently asserted that Hamas is not supported by the Palestinian people. Thus claiming that Israel is committing crimes by killing civilians.
I have continually pointed out that Hamas was freely elected by the Palestinians and that they continue to endorse their evil actions.
When you put a government in place and continue to support it, you cannot complain about the consequences of your choice.

I think you missed the point of my post.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Jew hate is irrational. And it’s everywhere. It’s been that way my entire 56 years. I don’t waste my time trying to correct them. I prefer to let them speak so I know who they are.

You make a valid point and it’s honestly why the word “Genocide” doesn’t mean anything anymore.

Jew hatred is irrational because it is a manifestation of Satan’s hatred of God’s chosen people and thus by proxy, God himself.
It is so long lived and persistent and virulent because it is inspired directly from the pits of H3ll itself

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think you missed the point of my post.

Maybe I did. It sounded like you thought I was a Hamas apologist when I am 180 degrees the opposite. I apologize if if I misunderstood your point

 

[NashVol11]

If something similar had been posted about Muslim or Arab peoples the outcry would be immediate and loud.

There is no way we are still acting in 2025 like Islamophobia is more taboo than antisemitism. The entire NYC mayoral race has been about Israel while stuff like the below is widely circulated

 

[NashVol11]

If you said "antisemitism is a fake term, we're allowed to not want Jews taking over American cities" you would justifiably be skewered

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think you missed the point of my post.

Maybe I did. It sounded like you thought I was a Hamas apologist when I am 180 degrees the opposite. I apologize if if I misunderstood your point

 

[OrangeTsar]

If you said "antisemitism is a fake term, we're allowed to not want Jews taking over American cities" you would justifiably be skewered

Jews don’t set up no-go zones in cities. They do not try and substitute their religious laws over the existing Civil ones. They do not stab people. They do not fly planes into buildings. They do not aspire to converting the whole world to their faith.
They assimilate to our culture instead of trying to replace it.

 

[NashVol11]

Jews don’t set up no-go zones in cities. They do not try and substitute their religious laws over the existing Civil ones. They do not stab people. They do not fly planes into buildings. They do not aspire to converting the whole world to their faith.
They assimilate to our culture instead of trying to replace it.

Ah yes, it is okay to openly discriminate against Muslims because they are worse people than Jews. Not surprised a supporter of Israel has a hierarchy of religious adherents.

Also, that post was about Zohran Mamdani, who has done exactly zero of those things

 

[n_huffhines]

If you said "antisemitism is a fake term, we're allowed to not want Jews taking over American cities" you would justifiably be skewered

Once again, another example that if people can do the bare minimum mental exercise of putting themselves in the shoes of the opposition, they wouldn't be saying the dumbest **** ever.

 

[EasternVol]

Jews don’t set up no-go zones in cities.

Name a no go zone and who set it up. Who set up the one in Seattle?

They do not try and substitute their religious laws over the existing Civil ones.

Where and how has that happened?

They do not stab people.

Are you sure? There are criminals of all creeds.

They do not fly planes into buildings.

'They' bomb hotels though, although it's stupid to assign the sins of a small number to the entire lot of a people.

They do not aspire to converting the whole world to their faith.

Are you talking about Christianity?

They assimilate to our culture instead of trying to replace it.

Who doesn't?

 

[KB5252]

There is no way we are still acting in 2025 like Islamophobia is more taboo than antisemitism. The entire NYC mayoral race has been about Israel while stuff like the below is widely circulated

You'd have to see the video I saw. This is a simple political cartoon.

What I saw was a hook nose evil Jew conjuring itself from the shadows with a deranged look and evil red eyes to knife Europe in the back to start WWI, then again for WWII and then a bunch of other symbolism I didn't write understand but each time it was the same decrepit, contorted, evil Jew trope to come out of the shadows with evil tentacles and cause all the worlds problems.

I'm not diminishing the symbolism of the cartoon you posted, but that's pretty much par for the course in American political cartoons. What I was referring to was what above standard political fare.

 

[NashVol11]

You'd have to see the video I saw. This is a simple political cartoon.

What I saw was a hook nose evil Jew conjuring itself from the shadows with a deranged look and evil red eyes to knife Europe in the back to start WWI, then again for WWII and then a bunch of other symbolism I didn't write understand but each time it was the same decrepit, contorted, evil Jew trope to come out of the shadows with evil tentacles and cause all the worlds problems.

I'm not diminishing the symbolism of the cartoon you posted, but that's pretty much par for the course in American political cartoons. What I was referring to was what above standard political fare.

That I haven't seen it is part of my point. You are talking about Facebook BS that virtually no one sees, on a site where almost everything is weird AI slop and seniors getting fooled by it. I am talking about nationally-known journalists like Megyn Kelly. Charlie Kirk was saying it's bad for NYC to have a Muslim mayor because of 9/11. That prejudice is deeply ingrained in our society, and if you think there would be more pushback to Islamophobia than to antisemitism you haven't been paying attention

 

[Orangeslice13]

 

[n_huffhines]

That I haven't seen it is part of my point. You are talking about Facebook BS that virtually no one sees, on a site where almost everything is weird AI slop and seniors getting fooled by it. I am talking about nationally-known journalists like Megyn Kelly. Charlie Kirk was saying it's bad for NYC to have a Muslim mayor because of 9/11. That prejudice is deeply ingrained in our society, and if you think there would be more pushback to Islamophobia than to antisemitism you haven't been paying attention

This thread is a microchasm of all that. We got peaceniks in here wanting to disassociate from Israel, and we're called antisemitic for calling out a specific nation's war crimes. And when they hurl this insult at us, they act as if bigotry is a big deal. Our response? We detest this label, and we go hard.

Then, on the other hand, we have people saying outright bigoted things about Muslims, very few call them out, and few even deny the label "Islamophobic" when we throw it out there. It's like it doesn't even bother them. In this case, bigotry is not a big deal.

 

[KB5252]

That I haven't seen it is part of my point. You are talking about Facebook BS that virtually no one sees, on a site where almost everything is weird AI slop and seniors getting fooled by it. I am talking about nationally-known journalists like Megyn Kelly. Charlie Kirk was saying it's bad for NYC to have a Muslim mayor because of 9/11. That prejudice is deeply ingrained in our society, and if you think there would be more pushback to Islamophobia than to antisemitism you haven't been paying attention

I too believe having a communist with long standing proclivity of showing support or at the very least not condemning extremists as the mayor of one of our flagship cities is a bad thing.

That doesn't make me prejudiced. That makes me practical, the mayor is supposed to represent all citizens. His own policies indicate he wants to favor don't at the expense of others.

 

[NashVol11]

I too believe having a communist with long standing proclivity of showing support or at the very least not condemning extremists as the mayor of one of our flagship cities is a bad thing.

That doesn't make me prejudiced. That makes me practical, the mayor is supposed to represent all citizens. His own policies indicate he wants to favor don't at the expense of others.

Setting aside that most of that is made up, invoking 9/11 because he's Muslim is very obviously prejudiced. Zohran has done a lot more outreach to Jewish citizens of NYC (and won that demographic) than Cuomo for example has done with Muslims here, the latter just never gets talked about because Islamophobia doesn't get the press that antisemitism does (again, my point)

 

[n_huffhines]

@NashVol11 and the other part of that is the comparison of random people on FB to Megyn Kelly. This is one of the most common sins in the VN politics forum. It comes in various forms:

Some people on Twitter/FB are antisemitic, and that's no different from Megyn Kelly being Islamaphobic.

Nobody is protesting the unaffiliated Boko Harem, and so why are people protesting our alliance with Israel?

Imagine the meltdown if this were Pete Hegseth, and not some low-ranking leftist nobody has ever heard of (Jay Jones)?

They have incredibly low expectations for their officials, allies, and thought leaders. We used to expect a high minimum level of decorum from the WH. The WH can't go any lower than it goes, and it's all justified because some anonymous radical leftist behaved badly somewhere.

 

[NashVol11]

We used to expect a bare minimum level of decorum from the WH, and they literally can't go any lower than they go, and it's all justified because some anonymous radical leftist behaved badly somewhere.

This is so much of MAGA. Trump can do anything he wants because they're convinced that someone on the left did something worse and/or they deserve it