Tennessee coaches - 1st 60 games

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white65 said:
I wasn't around for the Johnny Majors years but I bet his legacy as a player and coaches getting a longer leash back then were the only reasons he wasn't fired going 500 over his first 5-6 seasons.
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If the general level of expectations that exists today existed when Johnny was around, he would have gotten fired during the 1980 season.
 
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This is the difference between the NFL in the 70's vs now. I don't think anyone short of Larry Czonka could survive a season of modern football. Especially if you took away their painkillers
 
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Carp said:
The SEC wasn't even considered the premiere conference in college football until the early 2000s.
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The 1990s set the stage - three different programs won National Championships. Florida (3), Tennessee (4), and Alabama (10) finished in the top 10 for the AP composite poll for 1990-1999…

So not as dominate as the next two decades but SEC dominance was emerging
 
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Sarms58 said:
The 1990s set the stage - three different programs won National Championships. Florida (3), Tennessee (4), and Alabama (10) finished in the top 10 for the AP composite poll for 1990-1999…

So not as dominate as the next two decades but SEC dominance was emerging
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There is a graph I saw recently showing the dominance the SEC has seen in the draft the last decade plus. The SEC was either even or behind all other major conferences heading into the 90's in regards to drafted players. In the 2000's, the SEC really separated itself from the pack. And now the gap is the largest it's ever been with TX and OU part of the SEC.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
HC Record at UT first 60 games (conference record included)

Neyland - 54-2-4 (34-2-4)
Fulmer - 50-10 (35-7)
Battle - 46-12-2 (17-11-1)
Heupel - 43-17 (23-14)
Dickey - 43-13-4 (21-9-4)
Wyatt - 35-22-3 (21-12-3)
Jones - 34-26 (14-23)
Majors - 30-29-1 (13-18)
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What is impressive is about the roster CJH inherited vs the other coaches. CJH inherited a raging bonfire with 32 players hitting the portal. What a mess.
 
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white65 said:
I wasn't around for the Johnny Majors years but I bet his legacy as a player and coaches getting a longer leash back then were the only reasons he wasn't fired going 500 over his first 5-6 seasons.
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It was a different era. Very hard to compare to today.
 
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white65 said:
I wasn't around for the Johnny Majors years but I bet his legacy as a player and coaches getting a longer leash back then were the only reasons he wasn't fired going 500 over his first 5-6 seasons.
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You are correct.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
HC Record at UT first 60 games (conference record included)

Neyland - 54-2-4 (34-2-4)
Fulmer - 50-10 (35-7)
Battle - 46-12-2 (17-11-1)
Heupel - 43-17 (23-14)
Dickey - 43-13-4 (21-9-4)
Wyatt - 35-22-3 (21-12-3)
Jones - 34-26 (14-23)
Majors - 30-29-1 (13-18)
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What CJH walked into and the SEC as a whole being the strongest it’s ever been from top to bottom, his winning % is big time impressive.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
What is impressive is about the roster CJH inherited vs the other coaches. CJH inherited a raging bonfire with 32 players hitting the portal. What a mess.
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Bill Battle, OTOH, inherited from Doug Dickey one of the most talented rosters ever, including an OL named Philip Fulmer. During Battle’s 1st 3 seasons, UT went 31-5, finishing all 3 seasons in the AP top 10.
But things went downhill fast after Dickey’s recruits all graduated.
 
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05_never_again said:
If the general level of expectations that exists today existed when Johnny was around, he would have gotten fired during the 1980 season.
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I’ve heard from the older generation that the fans were on Johnny’s ass up until the 85 season. I guess the fanbase has always had its share of retards
 
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lukeneyland said:
I’ve heard from the older generation that the fans were on Johnny’s ass up until the 85 season. I guess the fanbase has always had its share of retards
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I mean...rightfully so. He finished outside the top 25 his first 8 seasons here before that breakthrough with the Sugar Vols.

Johnny had a really, really long leash as head coach that was both a product of his deep ties to UT and the fact that fanbases were generally a more patient bunch then. There are a bunch of legendary coaches who probably would have been fired at some point had expectations been what they are today, including Bear Bryant.
 
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05_never_again said:
I mean...rightfully so. He finished outside the top 25 his first 8 seasons here before that breakthrough with the Sugar Vols.

Johnny had a really, really long leash as head coach that was both a product of his deep ties to UT and the fact that fanbases were generally a more patient bunch then. There are a bunch of legendary coaches who probably would have been fired at some point had expectations been what they are today, including Bear Bryant.
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I don’t if it’s for better or worse but my “fire his ass needle” moves a lot slower than others.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
HC Record at UT first 60 games (conference record included)

Neyland - 54-2-4 (34-2-4)
Fulmer - 50-10 (35-7)
Battle - 46-12-2 (17-11-1)
Heupel - 43-17 (23-14)
Dickey - 43-13-4 (21-9-4)
Wyatt - 35-22-3 (21-12-3)
Jones - 34-26 (14-23)
Majors - 30-29-1 (13-18)
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Johnny and Josh both inherited a declining program. Battle had really tailed off in his last three seasons. No need to dig up the Jones/Pruitt era.
 
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Fulmer inherited a stocked cupboard from Majors. PF was able to put the pieces of the puzzle together (with the assistance of Cutcliffe and Manning) and he reaped the benefits.

His only competition at the time was Spurrier and him alone. The rest of the conference was a distant 3rd place.

Ray Goff @ UGA
Brad Scott @ SC
Rod Dohower @ Vandy
Bill Curry @ UK
Gerry DiNardo @ LSU

It was the league of 2 teams and the rest of misfit toys back then.
 
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Our history of HC's is pretty darn weak considering we're an all-time top 15 program.
 
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The most comparable situations are the scenarios that Dickey and Heupel faced at the outset of their tenures. Both inherited distinctly rebuilding scenarios, and both accomplished the task in short order. Furthermore, both revolutionized Tennessee's offense.
 
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albedo33 said:
Bill Battle, OTOH, inherited from Doug Dickey one of the most talented rosters ever, including an OL named Philip Fulmer. During Battle’s 1st 3 seasons, UT went 31-5, finishing all 3 seasons in the AP top 10.
But things went downhill fast after Dickey’s recruits all graduated.
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That's when his future business plans started to crystalize in his mind. Drop was understandable.
 
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05_never_again said:
I mean...rightfully so. He finished outside the top 25 his first 8 seasons here before that breakthrough with the Sugar Vols.

Johnny had a really, really long leash as head coach that was both a product of his deep ties to UT and the fact that fanbases were generally a more patient bunch then. There are a bunch of legendary coaches who probably would have been fired at some point had expectations been what they are today, including Bear Bryant.
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A player on the 85 Team mentioned Alcohol.
 
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