War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
ras is the same type of poster you are. Russian apologist who tries to put a shine on Russian turds. which can be done, as long as the person doesn't know its dung.

israel has nothing to do with this situation. kinda like football, the transitive property is crap in warfare. in your argument the only super power in the world is Afghanistan. they whooped both the US and Russia.

I know there are some who will argue against it, but I don't think I have ever claimed Ukraine is winning this war. at least in the conventional sense, I have always maintained they will lose ground, but for their sakes hopefully fight hard enough to not lose everything.

Russia being better than Ukraine was a given from the start, so Russia isn't proving how macho they are here.
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Israel is relevant. If "the greatest army in the world" can't push through a strip of land that's 7.5 miles wide at its very widest point from east to west, on a 25 mile front from north to south, after over two years of fighting, even when "the almighty God is helping them," then the Russians advancing 20 miles on an 800-mile front line, even without help from the god of Hebrew mythology, then that's pretty significant, especially when the Russians are fighting a very well-equipped, very well-trained army compared to the poorly-equipped Gazans who don't even have a plane, main battle tank, infantry fighting vehicle or any other advanced weaponry to speak of.

Afghanistan isn't a superpower, but the Afghans & Vietnamese proved themselves to be among the very toughest human beings on Earth. The Afghans didn't just defeat the Russians, they defeated the Ukrainians too in addition to 13 other Soviet republics. The Ukrainian Brezhnev sent them in. Jihadis from all over the place went and fought there, but the best American "crusaders" can do is cheer "To the last Ukrainian! Pray for Ukraine!"

The Ukrainians have already lost more territory than they would have if they would've just signed the peace agreement in Istanbul in 2022. It was only two provinces back then. After the Ukrainians didn't sign a peace treaty a few months ago (and why would they? When the war ends, the money from the USA & Europe ends), one of the Russians told them, "This time it was four provinces, next time it'll be five." And he's not wrong, unless it ends up being more than five.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Bleeding themselves white. 😅 Granted, both armies are fighting hard and losing a lot of guys, but look at the body swaps:

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There aren't many dead Russians to hand over compared to the dead Ukrainians. And I take no pleasure in the Ukrainian government bureaucrats putting my tax dollars into their slush funds to continue conscripting those men and sending them to their deaths for nothing while Americans cheer them to their deaths. And which army is the one relying on pregnant women in combat?

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Sure, Russia uses foreign-made weapons too, but the Russians and Ukrainians are fighting by far the two biggest armies in Europe and they both have first-rate equipment and weapon systems. The Israelis also have first-rate everything but are fighting men with rifles, RPGs and homemade bombs. And I find it hard to believe the Israelis had no plan drawn up for decades, adjusted over time, on how to fight a war in Gaza. To say they didn't plan for that contingency is laughable. 🤣

The population differential between Russia and Ukraine is my point exactly. And it's more like 6:1 considering Russia took in 1,500,000 Ukrainian refugees. No country took in more Ukrainian refugees than Russia. You also have to factor in the population that resides in areas controlled by Russian forces, people who are, for the most part, pro-Russia to begin with. You have to factor in the millions that left Ukraine for Poland, Western Europe, North America, and elsewhere. That's why Ukraine is relying on pregnant combat soldiers. Russia will have an industrial and supply advantage over Ukraine for the entire war no matter how long the war lasts, because China is helping to supply the Russians and the Chinese have already said they're not going to let Russia lose the war, whereas Ukraine is being supplied by NATO. All of the NATO countries combined are out-manufactured by China alone and Russia's military production is very significant. Look at the differential in field artillery.

You say the Russians can't defend their own territory, but the Ukrainians already lost the ground they controlled in Kursk province, but how much of Lugansk province does Ukraine control? Maybe it's the Ukrainians who can't get back their lost territory. 🤔

The Ukrainian Army was supposed to have the Summer in Crimea party in August of 2023. Remember?

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Oh well, it seems the people in Lugansk are glad the Russians are there anyway.
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So this is what freebasing Russian Telegram looks like.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Bleeding themselves white. 😅 Granted, both armies are fighting hard and losing a lot of guys, but look at the body swaps:

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There aren't many dead Russians to hand over compared to the dead Ukrainians. And I take no pleasure in the Ukrainian government bureaucrats putting my tax dollars into their slush funds to continue conscripting those men and sending them to their deaths for nothing while Americans cheer them to their deaths. And which army is the one relying on pregnant women in combat?

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Sure, Russia uses foreign-made weapons too, but the Russians and Ukrainians are fighting by far the two biggest armies in Europe and they both have first-rate equipment and weapon systems. The Israelis also have first-rate everything but are fighting men with rifles, RPGs and homemade bombs. And I find it hard to believe the Israelis had no plan drawn up for decades, adjusted over time, on how to fight a war in Gaza. To say they didn't plan for that contingency is laughable. 🤣

The population differential between Russia and Ukraine is my point exactly. And it's more like 6:1 considering Russia took in 1,500,000 Ukrainian refugees. No country took in more Ukrainian refugees than Russia. You also have to factor in the population that resides in areas controlled by Russian forces, people who are, for the most part, pro-Russia to begin with. You have to factor in the millions that left Ukraine for Poland, Western Europe, North America, and elsewhere. That's why Ukraine is relying on pregnant combat soldiers. Russia will have an industrial and supply advantage over Ukraine for the entire war no matter how long the war lasts, because China is helping to supply the Russians and the Chinese have already said they're not going to let Russia lose the war, whereas Ukraine is being supplied by NATO. All of the NATO countries combined are out-manufactured by China alone and Russia's military production is very significant. Look at the differential in field artillery.

You say the Russians can't defend their own territory, but the Ukrainians already lost the ground they controlled in Kursk province, but how much of Lugansk province does Ukraine control? Maybe it's the Ukrainians who can't get back their lost territory. 🤔

The Ukrainian Army was supposed to have the Summer in Crimea party in August of 2023. Remember?

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Oh well, it seems the people in Lugansk are glad the Russians are there anyway.
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man those numbers are faker than the Kyiv Times numbers posted here. I haven't gone back to check any of those specific dates, but any of the trustworthy russian milbloggers would disagree with those numbers. Even the ones who claim positive K:D ratios has the ratio in the lower single digits, AT MOST.

lol the russians took in Ukrainian refugees the same way the US government "took in" Native American refugees on the trail of tears. they are getting sent to Siberia to die, with no rights. and most of those "refugees" didn't flee INTO Russia, Russia just captured them. Russia had to drop the civilian "trade" program before the invasion because it was so heavily slanted in Ukraines favor.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Israel is relevant. If "the greatest army in the world" can't push through a strip of land that's 7.5 miles wide at its very widest point from east to west, on a 25 mile front from north to south, after over two years of fighting, even when "the almighty God is helping them," then the Russians advancing 20 miles on an 800-mile front line, even without help from the god of Hebrew mythology, then that's pretty significant, especially when the Russians are fighting a very well-equipped, very well-trained army compared to the poorly-equipped Gazans who don't even have a plane, main battle tank, infantry fighting vehicle or any other advanced weaponry to speak of.

Afghanistan isn't a superpower, but the Afghans & Vietnamese proved themselves to be among the very toughest human beings on Earth. The Afghans didn't just defeat the Russians, they defeated the Ukrainians too in addition to 13 other Soviet republics. The Ukrainian Brezhnev sent them in. Jihadis from all over the place went and fought there, but the best American "crusaders" can do is cheer "To the last Ukrainian! Pray for Ukraine!"

The Ukrainians have already lost more territory than they would have if they would've just signed the peace agreement in Istanbul in 2022. It was only two provinces back then. After the Ukrainians didn't sign a peace treaty a few months ago (and why would they? When the war ends, the money from the USA & Europe ends), one of the Russians told them, "This time it was four provinces, next time it'll be five." And he's not wrong, unless it ends up being more than five.
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no Israel is not relevant. they aren't fighting in this war. if you want to go dish on them feel free to move that conversation to one of the Israeli threads.

you are simply trying to deflect away from how bad of job Russia is doing. Russia controls less territory in the 4 provinces they are trying to claim in 2025 than they did in 2022. Russia has lost Kharkiv and Kherson. weird that Russia "winning" looks worse than Russia offering a peace treaty 3 years ago.
 
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LouderVol said:
man those numbers are faker than the Kyiv Times numbers posted here. I haven't gone back to check any of those specific dates, but any of the trustworthy russian milbloggers would disagree with those numbers. Even the ones who claim positive K:D ratios has the ratio in the lower single digits, AT MOST.

lol the russians took in Ukrainian refugees the same way the US government "took in" Native American refugees on the trail of tears. they are getting sent to Siberia to die, with no rights. and most of those "refugees" didn't flee INTO Russia, Russia just captured them. Russia had to drop the civilian "trade" program before the invasion because it was so heavily slanted in Ukraines favor.
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The Native Americans were of a different race, practiced different religions, and spoke different languages than the political and military leadership of the USA. The refugees who went to Russia are the same ethnicity, the same religion, and speak the same language as the political and military leadership of Russia.

It's why the Ukrainian government hated their citizens in the eastern provinces so much, even the children, boasting that the child citizens of Ukraine in the eastern provinces would be cowering in basements while the children of Ukrainian government apparatchiks in Kiev would be studying in schools.

 
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LouderVol said:
no Israel is not relevant. they aren't fighting in this war. if you want to go dish on them feel free to move that conversation to one of the Israeli threads.

you are simply trying to deflect away from how bad of job Russia is doing. Russia controls less territory in the 4 provinces they are trying to claim in 2025 than they did in 2022. Russia has lost Kharkiv and Kherson. weird that Russia "winning" looks worse than Russia offering a peace treaty 3 years ago.
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The Russians are making vastly more progress than the "world's greatest army" and their god combined, while fighting a better-trained and better-supplied opponent.

The Russians control less of Kherson, but more of Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Lugansk. They took full control of 100% of Lugansk just a few days ago, so they can't possibly control less of Lugansk. It's not mathematically possible. They do control less of the Lyman area than in 2022, but the portion of south Donetsk they've conquered since then is a vastly larger area than the area they're having to retake in northern Donetsk. In Zaporizhia, they're going up the bank of the Dneiper. Oh, and they're increasingly pushing into Dnipropetrovsk province from the east. The Russians controlled 0% of it in 2022. Over 1,700,000 dead Ukrainians and that's what they have to show for it. Oh well, at least Zelensky and his buddies got rich and some American weapons manufacturers made a few bucks.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
The Russians are making vastly more progress than the "world's greatest army" and their god combined, while fighting a better-trained and better-supplied opponent.

The Russians control less of Kherson, but more of Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Lugansk. They took full control of 100% of Lugansk just a few days ago, so they can't possibly control less of Lugansk. It's not mathematically possible. They do control less of the Lyman area than in 2022, but the portion of south Donetsk they've conquered since then is a vastly larger area than the area they're having to retake in northern Donetsk. In Zaporizhia, they're going up the bank of the Dneiper. Oh, and they're increasingly pushing into Dnipropetrovsk province from the east. The Russians controlled 0% of it in 2022. Over 1,700,000 dead Ukrainians and that's what they have to show for it. Oh well, at least Zelensky and his buddies got rich and some American weapons manufacturers made a few bucks.
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Lugansk and Donetsk were supposed to be two provinces that "voluntarily" joined Russia, the fact that Russia is just now gaining full control of one, is pretty dang telling about how bad the war is going for Russia, and how badly they are lying now. Russia started with pretty much full control of both, their early offensives took even more, and like I said, they haven't even retaken all the territory ukraine reclaimed in their offensives.

russia controlled all of the south of Donetsk in 22, there was nothing for Russia to "retake" in that area. like I said dude, you are just making stuff up.

and sure russia has held some of the Dnipro province. that area where Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Dnipro all meet has been Russian held for a long time. they have gained some territory, but its hardly anything to write home about. A literal tortoise would have made more progress across Ukraine than Russia has.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
The Russians are making vastly more progress than the "world's greatest army" and their god combined, while fighting a better-trained and better-supplied opponent.

The Russians control less of Kherson, but more of Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Lugansk. They took full control of 100% of Lugansk just a few days ago, so they can't possibly control less of Lugansk. It's not mathematically possible. They do control less of the Lyman area than in 2022, but the portion of south Donetsk they've conquered since then is a vastly larger area than the area they're having to retake in northern Donetsk. In Zaporizhia, they're going up the bank of the Dneiper. Oh, and they're increasingly pushing into Dnipropetrovsk province from the east. The Russians controlled 0% of it in 2022. Over 1,700,000 dead Ukrainians and that's what they have to show for it. Oh well, at least Zelensky and his buddies got rich and some American weapons manufacturers made a few bucks.
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Another copy and paste from the blind squirrel 🐿️
 
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LouderVol said:
ras is the same type of poster you are. Russian apologist who tries to put a shine on Russian turds. which can be done, as long as the person doesn't know its dung.

israel has nothing to do with this situation. kinda like football, the transitive property is crap in warfare. in your argument the only super power in the world is Afghanistan. they whooped both the US and Russia.

I know there are some who will argue against it, but I don't think I have ever claimed Ukraine is winning this war. at least in the conventional sense, I have always maintained they will lose ground, but for their sakes hopefully fight hard enough to not lose everything.

Russia being better than Ukraine was a given from the start, so Russia isn't proving how macho they are here.
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Immediately on hitting the 250 post limit this cat has been spamming pro Russian narratives across three threads here ever since. Bit sure he isn’t an alt or other stepchild account of one if the primary Putin nut huggers 😂
 
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LouderVol said:
Lugansk and Donetsk were supposed to be two provinces that "voluntarily" joined Russia, the fact that Russia is just now gaining full control of one, is pretty dang telling about how bad the war is going for Russia, and how badly they are lying now. Russia started with pretty much full control of both, their early offensives took even more, and like I said, they haven't even retaken all the territory ukraine reclaimed in their offensives.

russia controlled all of the south of Donetsk in 22, there was nothing for Russia to "retake" in that area. like I said dude, you are just making stuff up.

and sure russia has held some of the Dnipro province. that area where Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Dnipro all meet has been Russian held for a long time. they have gained some territory, but its hardly anything to write home about. A literal tortoise would have made more progress across Ukraine than Russia has.
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Why wouldn’t it take the Russians a long time to capture Lugansk region? The IDF, the “greatest army in the world” still hasn’t captured 365 square km Gaza in over two years of fighting. Lugansk province is 26,700 square km. I’m sure the Russians wish the Ukrainians were armed only with rifles, RPGs, and homemade bombs like Hamas.

No, the Russians didn’t control all of the south of Donetsk in 2022. The Russians captured Vuhledar for the first time in October 2024, for example.

According to the Ukrainians themselves, the Russians first entered Dnipro region less than five weeks ago.

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The Russians have already captured 142 square km of the province. That may be slower than a turtle, but the Israelis are envious of the speed of the Russian advance.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Immediately on hitting the 250 post limit this cat has been spamming pro Russian narratives across three threads here ever since. Bit sure he isn’t an alt or other stepchild account of one if the primary Putin nut huggers 😂
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join date is the same day that turdovol got smashed by the ban-hammer
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Why wouldn’t it take the Russians a long time to capture Lugansk region? The IDF, the “greatest army in the world” still hasn’t captured 365 square km Gaza in over two years of fighting. Lugansk province is 26,700 square km. I’m sure the Russians wish the Ukrainians were armed only with rifles, RPGs, and homemade bombs like Hamas.

No, the Russians didn’t control all of the south of Donetsk in 2022. The Russians captured Vuhledar for the first time in October 2024, for example.

According to the Ukrainians themselves, the Russians first entered Dnipro region less than five weeks ago.

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The Russians have already captured 142 square km of the province. That may be slower than a turtle, but the Israelis are envious of the speed of the Russian advance.
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it shouldn't take anyone any time to take territory that actually voluntarily joined them.
 
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LouderVol said:
it shouldn't take anyone any time to take territory that actually voluntarily joined them.
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In theory, but not in practice.

East Tennessee was a heavily pro-USA region, yet most of the battles here during our civil war were in late 1863 and 1864.

There were supposed to be elections in Vietnam in 1956, as stipulated by the 1954 Geneva Accords, but those were cancelled after the CIA determined Ho Chi Minh would get over 90% of the vote in South Vietnam and easily win the election. It took a very long time for the 90%+ majority to put his party into power in South Vietnam, which didn't happen until several years after his death, due to foreign nations giving massive support to less popular politicians. It took years of very difficult ground combat and immense sacrifice for the majority to take control, even in areas that were ultranationalist.

These are just two examples out of many.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
In theory, but not in practice.

East Tennessee was a heavily pro-USA region, yet most of the battles here during our civil war were in late 1863 and 1864.

There were supposed to be elections in Vietnam in 1956, as stipulated by the 1954 Geneva Accords, but those were cancelled after the CIA determined Ho Chi Minh would get over 90% of the vote in South Vietnam and easily win the election. It took a very long time for the 90%+ majority to put his party into power in South Vietnam, which didn't happen until several years after his death, due to foreign nations giving massive support to less popular politicians. It took years of very difficult ground combat and immense sacrifice for the majority to take control, even in areas that were ultranationalist.

These are just two examples out of many.
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you realize the foreign invader in this situation is Russia, right?

because I whole heartedly agree that they have made things bloody for Ukraine.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
I haven't been on any country's Telegram, but apparently they're based in reality. Meanwhile...
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Minor postponement, don't be so negative. I'm confident that next summer is going to be a great beach party, I can't wait. They're almost there if you really stop and think about it.

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LouderVol said:
you realize the foreign invader in this situation is Russia, right?

because I whole heartedly agree that they have made things bloody for Ukraine.
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Tennessee formally seceded from the USA. Ukraine formally seceded from the USSR.

The US Army eventually invaded Tennessee. The Russian army eventually invaded Ukraine.

The western and central parts of Tennessee and most of its population were very pro-Confederacy, with the smaller eastern region being very pro-USA. The western and central parts of Ukraine and most of its population are very pro-Ukraine, with the smaller eastern region being very pro-Russia.

It took years for the US Army to defeat the Confederate army in the pro-US eastern region of Tennessee. It's taking years for the Russian army to defeat the Ukrainian army in the pro-Russia region of Ukraine.
 
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