For the fire Banks crowd.

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jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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He was blessed with multiple high round picks last year. Not sure how many of those were his recruits either. If you can’t see that he needs to go I suggest you see an optometrist
 
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Delmar said:
The tackling and pursuit angles are the biggest problem areas for me. And, like it or not, those are coaching issues. You don’t have to be a 5 star to learn those. You can’t coach speed but you can certainly coach those two areas and we are lacking in both. The coaches have to take the blame for those deficiencies.
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How many defensive meetings have you attended? Bet CJH has been to a bunch.

Everybody knows it is broke, most are surprised that the backups forced on the field have not performed better, saw a heap of guys on the field Saturday with numbers I did not recognize.

Do you really believe that any other DC could have performed that much better?

Guess we are going to have demand Freak gets replaced for the performance of the prolific uninformed NEGAS outbursts on these sites if I understand your logic.
 
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Oldvoldad said:
Pretty sure 98% of fans don't give a rats *** about last year.

And I am in the 98%.
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Imagine an employee saying to you, "I know I pretty much suck this year, but I was great last year". How far would that get him/her? How far would that get you?

I know coaching is different but trends are trends. Was last year the norm or an exception?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
How many defensive meetings have you attended? Bet CJH has been to a bunch.

Everybody knows it is broke, most are surprised that the backups forced on the field have not performed better, saw a heap of guys on the field Saturday with numbers I did not recognize.

Do you really believe that any other DC could have performed that much better?

Guess we are going to have demand Freak gets replaced for the performance of the prolific uninformed NEGAS outbursts on these sites if I understand your logic.
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I agree with you about having to play less experienced players. Nothing they can do about that. (We have an extremely young team anyway.) But If Josh is sitting in on the defensive meetings, he’s not contributing to the tackling or angles issue because it isn’t getting fixed.

Look, I’m not known as being a negative poster. Been called overly positive at times. But I also know what I see and it certainly doesn’t take an expert. Half of these guys on defense (especially in the secondary) can’t tackle me. I’ve seen way too many instances of throwing a shoulder into a ball carrier and bouncing off or completely fanning on a tackle. And their pursuit angles are horrible. (The latter was never more evident on that sideline throw that went 70 yards for a TD. Two guys took poor angles and took themselves out of the play)

The bottom line is if you’ve missed the tackling and angles issues, you haven’t been paying attention. It doesn’t take being a 5 star or a senior to learn tackling technique. (I have seen high school teams with better tackling technique.) We are a spring practice, a summer practice, fall practice and 8 games in and we have guys who simply haven’t learned to do it. My personal advice would be to let Perlotte teach the team because Banks and Martinez evidently don’t know how and Perlotte certainly does.
 
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Imagine defending the coaches in year 5 when the players that they have recruited and coached don't even know how to tackle. That is a major problem. It be one thing if they took a bad angle here and there but multiple times this year i have seen 10 missed tackles in 2 plays. That is inexcusable no matter who is injured. Just my two cents.
 
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Last thought here: I don't endorse firing anyone when things are going wrong. I want to understand what is being done about the problem. Are we even solving for the right problem (Root cause analysis)? When you hear the same things over and over from the coaches we know what their concerns are. There MUST be conversations around how to address it. I do not see a world in which a staff this experienced and talented would not be doing all of the right things.

-Are the athlete's just not getting it?
-Are the guys practicing well then losing their minds on the field? (This is likely the culprit for the younger players. They likely do fine on scouted looks then get confused on the new things opponents put in).
-Is this the best we can get out of the dudes we have?
-Are the coaches not making proper in-season changes to improve it?

So many questions and no answers..... yet
 
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Not to help Banks for all of the D's problems,But,being without McCoy and Gibson all year as starting corners does not help.Hood has played wonderfully and Ty Redmon has done well as a TRUE freshman.
 
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jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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C’mon man. The title led me to believe it had finally happened. Imagine how let down I am now
 
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jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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We were good last year, but Bank's average defensive ranking is and has been near the bottom of the SEC every year. If we can up-grade then why wouldn't we. Our third down defense is and has been the worse
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yes, is short on personnel.

Which doesn’t begin to explain why the personnel he DOES have haven’t been taught basic skills like how to tackle.
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Well, maybe it does.

When you're thin at a position, and have already lost some of your best players to injury, neither the coaches nor the players want to be making contact in practice at top speed. The best result you can hope for is that you arrive Saturday with your roster intact, knowing they are inevitably rusty on angles of pursuit and tackling technique, and hopefully will get up to speed in time to win that game.

No player can practice with the thought of "I have to improve on communication and master this weeks scouting report because I am next up and needed," and not logically and simultaneously think, "I'm next up and needed--so I can't risk getting hurt in practice."

More than ever in SEC football history, every game is its own unique war.
We won the war last week.
Next Saturday is another war with an opponent who is unique. Not better/not worse--unique.
 
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lastlapuncle said:
Not to help Banks for all of the D's problems,But,being without McCoy and Gibson all year as starting corners does not help.Hood has played wonderfully and Ty Redmon has done well as a TRUE freshman.
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I agree that it doesnt help being without your top two but that doesnt explain why the linebackers and safeties arent tackling well or taking good angles. I mean i can forgive a missed tackle here and there its gonna happen but when there are 7 missed tackles on 1 play thats just poor coaching.
 
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lastlapuncle said:
Not to help Banks for all of the D's problems,But,being without McCoy and Gibson all year as starting corners does not help.Hood has played wonderfully and Ty Redmon has done well as a TRUE freshman.
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And not to mention we are leading the SEC in yards per game, passing yards per game, and points per game. And the ppg is not even close. The only way to compete with Tennessee is in a shootout, every team must unload every wrinkle, and try to score every opportunity. Teams have to play us differently and they have to score at all costs. You are always going to throw more and be one dimensional with you have a two score deficit. We really miss McCoy and Gibson but our young defenders are going reap all the benefits and expect better defense when we actually need it in the future. I just wished we didn't see so many missed tackles and bad angles in pursuit.
 
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Delmar said:
I agree with you about having to play less experienced players. Nothing they can do about that. (We have an extremely young team anyway.) But If Josh is sitting in on the defensive meetings, he’s not contributing to the tackling or angles issue because it isn’t getting fixed.

Look, I’m not known as being a negative poster. Been called overly positive at times. But I also know what I see and it certainly doesn’t take an expert. Half of these guys on defense (especially in the secondary) can’t tackle me. I’ve seen way too many instances of throwing a shoulder into a ball carrier and bouncing off or completely fanning on a tackle. And their pursuit angles are horrible. (The latter was never more evident on that sideline throw that went 70 yards for a TD. Two guys took poor angles and took themselves out of the play)

The bottom line is if you’ve missed the tackling and angles issues, you haven’t been paying attention. It doesn’t take being a 5 star or a senior to learn tackling technique. (I have seen high school teams with better tackling technique.) We are a spring practice, a summer practice, fall practice and 8 games in and we have guys who simply haven’t learned to do it. My personal advice would be to let Perlotte teach the team because Banks and Martinez evidently don’t know how and Perlotte certainly does.
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And let me add this and I’m done explaining. I’m not in the Fire Everybody Camp. The defensive scheme they are having to play may very well be to cover up for lack of key personnel and I understand that. But tackling, pursuit angles and effort (See Boo Carter) can be taught and demanded. If the coaches can’t do that, then we have a problem on the staff that needs to be addressed.

Let’s put it this way. Nick Saban’s expertise was defensive backs. Did you ever see any of his secondaries that couldn’t tackle or were badly out of position? Secondly, how many of those Bama DB’s do you see in the NFL? Answer- a bunch of them. Why? Because they are fundamentally sound. Saban wouldn’t accept less from the players or coaches.
 
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BleedingOrangeInChatt said:
Imagine defending the coaches in year 5 when the players that they have recruited and coached don't even know how to tackle. That is a major problem. It be one thing if they took a bad angle here and there but multiple times this year i have seen 10 missed tackles in 2 plays. That is inexcusable no matter who is injured. Just my two cents.
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Nobody is justifying the referenced flaws we have all witnessed. They are real, I bet they have been covered all season multiple times in film studies. They are not being ignored. Our CB’s last year had no issues, same coaches. Sadly they have had to be cheerleaders this year.

It APPEARS that the recruiting services and our staff all missed on those thrown into the fray being able to execute basic actions. Blue chip ratio be damned.

Will see if new faces get more minutes, even if inexperience costs us. But maybe less cost than the guys we have seen so far. It happens all the time, just not typically an epidemic like we have experienced. Probably hard to give up on multiple guys you recruited and believed in, and handed the keys.

Bet there have been lots of eye rolls by our staff too.
 
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#118
jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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I understand your point. These players are not executing. But if losing just two players in the secondary causes this kind of drop off then we have a serious recruiting and development issue. Also we are seeing the exact same issues game after game. Players have to execute but some of these defensive coaches are not earning their paychecks. I mean sometimes they don’t even know how to line up correctly. That’s coaching.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If so,


FIRE BANKS. Just getting it out the way since 9 out of 10 posters say that anytime the defense is mentioned.
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Pretty good idea, but nothing to do with hood. More to do with the constant underwhelming defenses he puts on the field, with the exception of 1 year.

Average all of banks end of season defensive rankings and ask yourself…..if our team ended at this number of ranking as a whole yearly would we make changes to the HC? The answer would be yes, yet you think it’s a crazy thing to mention.
 
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#124
#124
jason3713 said:
Do you think he forgot how to coach in one year? Last year half here were afraid he would leave for a head coaching job.

It has a lot more to do with the players on the field than many want to admit.

The Tennessee Vols defense in 2024 was outstanding, finishing sixth nationally in total defense and seventh in scoring defense, allowing just 16.1 points per game. The unit was characterized by depth on the defensive line and at linebacker, improved play from an overhauled secondary, and strong performance in key metrics like third-down defense and tackles for loss.

Key takeaways
  • Overall performance:
    The defense was one of the best in the nation, holding 10 of 13 opponents to fewer than 20 points.

  • Key rankings:
    • 6th in total defense
    • 7th in scoring defense
    • 3rd in third-down defense
    • 5th in yards per play
    • 10th in run defense and tackles for loss
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Let me ask you this do you know what position he also coaches in defense? I ask this because it’s the one position that hasn’t got any better since he’s been here. Also the biggest reason we were better in defense last year is because we ran the ball most of time with not many explosive plays so we kept the defense off field keep that in mind And before you say well that’s why his numbers don’t look good we are also talking about a coordinator who doesn’t adjust at all in game it’s game plan and that’s it no adjustment
 
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timing is really bad for replacing a defensive or offensive staff..

If you go to a bowl or the playoffs and you want to replace your coordinator for example, when do you let him go? After regular season? After bowl or playoff?

Then to go outside your staff and make a hire, new guy very likely wants his own staff to work with which means replace entire staff (defense for example).

Even do that after the regular season, you likely can't get a hire in place with a new staff until mid to late December.

That all butts up against the early signing period for high school / JC players. It also butts up to the portal signing period starting January 2nd.

Huge risk when replacing staff that the following might happen:

1. Lose commitments to that side of the ball before signing day.
2. Lose returning players on that side of the ball to the portal in January.
3. How effective can new staff be (assuming all are in place) in going out and getting portal help?

Come to think of it, these factors might be playing into why coaches are getting fired so early this year... so adminstrators can begin back channel communicating with potential replacements.

Seems things are really messy with timelines.
 
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