LSU Cans Kelly

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Godfatha said:
Good year to be a coach looking for an advancement or a raise.
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FSU,PSU, FL, LSU. Gonna be hard to find 4 "premium" HC's in one cycle to cover those 4 schools. The others already on the board, and the ones ones fixing to lose HC's to these openings are gonna be suffering for a fill up.

Might be time to raid the DII ranks for the likes of the coaches that produced players like Chambliss to fill in the gaps after the big boys are re-slotted. And NDSU, SDSU. Some good coahing in the MVC ranks.
 
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508mikey said:
and Drinki -- Beamer might get fired also
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Beamer gets another year. There will be no upgrade available to them with the openings already on the table. They are too low in the pecking order. But, I'd have thought some other AD's might have evaluated their decisions differently too, yet we have 4-5 major attractive openings already.
 
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zjcvols said:
This is one of three jobs that would concern me with Heupel. Not saying he will leave or has any interest, but it would make a ton of sense for LSU to give him a call.
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Heupel isn't leaving, and LSU isn't going to be coming after him.
 
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Carp said:
Anyone that believes that a school that is willing to pay a coach 50+ million to not coach for them all of a sudden has deep money issues simply isn't paying attention.

LSU would fire Woodward and roll out Kelly another couple of years if they thought for a second that they couldn't drum up the money to fire Kelly and go get another elite coach.
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Anyone that thinks that just because an athletic department spends $50 million means that they can afford it is not paying attention. Especially a program already in disarray and horribly mismanaged.

They may find a way out. I don’t know when but eventually financial constraints will play a role. Athletic departments aren’t the federal government and can’t just print money.
 
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Kelly was already gonna be gone. The year had not been decided. That beat down did not necessarily seal it for him by itslef, but the stadium did him in. They were looking good and competing at half-time, and completely derailed and took an epic beatdown without cause. The sheer abandonment in the moment got him fired. If Dabo is tired of the moaning over in Clemson, he definitely could get another natty at LSU. The players are in that state to do it like he wants to do it.

With respect to A&M, was Saban in the headset being an Elko whisperer or something. That kind of dominance sure looked familiar.
 
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zjcvols said:
For LSU it would take a ton of sense. Proven SEC winner, incredible offense, very good recruiter that would get a boost with Louisiana and NIL. Could probably tell yourself that your resources garner more defensive talent which fixes the main concern.

But the fact Heupel is never, ever EVER tied to these jobs makes me believe he loves being at UT.
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It's hard to imagine Heupel isn't tied to these jobs because he isn't an attractive candidate. It's also hard to imagine that the reason he isn't tied to these jobs is because he (or his representation) just shuts down interest immediately. Most coaches, even if they aren't the slightest bit interested in a move, are going to take the call if another school reaches out.
 
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midnight orange said:
Anyone that thinks that just because an athletic department spends $50 million means that they can afford it is not paying attention. Especially a program already in disarray and horribly mismanaged.

They may find a way out. I don’t know when but eventually financial constraints will play a role. Athletic departments aren’t the federal government and can’t just print money.
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Or they'll keep getting massive donations like they always do and the train will keep churning.
 
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05_never_again said:
Consider the hate Heupel gets here sometimes, and then imagine if BK was our coach and he had the same level of performance here as LSU has had the last couple years. Combined with his unlikability? Oof.
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I've never bought in on BK being a bad coach and all. He's had a good track record. Has his natty's at GVSU. But, he's never picked up his P4/5 natty.

BK was always a bad long term choice to fit right at LSU from the beginning. I called that one immediately. The LSU AD should be heading out right behind him for that choice, and for the ridiculous contract right off the bat. Miles wasn't a southern tied coach, but Miles was quircky, and it worked down there. O was the local good ole boy, and was working great till he lost the lid to the cookie jar. Not too far removed from the same antics that derailed Miles at the time. Bk always had to try overly hard to fit, and it did not work. Had he just been BK from the mid-west maybe he'd have faired better. The looks on his face on the sideline this year immediately took me back to how Mike Shula used to posture and look on the Bama sidelines during that travesty.
 
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zjcvols said:
For LSU it would take a ton of sense. Proven SEC winner, incredible offense, very good recruiter that would get a boost with Louisiana and NIL. Could probably tell yourself that your resources garner more defensive talent which fixes the main concern.

But the fact Heupel is never, ever EVER tied to these jobs makes me believe he loves being at UT.
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LSU needs to hire an offensive coach who can bring an identity. Whether it is the air raid or power running. They need an identity.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
LSU needs to hire an offensive coach who can bring an identity. Whether it is the air raid or power running. They need an identity.
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Yeah. There's a major disconnect there this year. Garrett is not that bad of a QB. The O-line has obliterated his QB abilities this year. He put up pretty darn good passing yards last year and still felt he had things to work on. Now, his O-line has effectively tanked his up-coming draft status. And the play calling all season has been really anemic and weird. Probably wishes he had a do-over on that decsion. consdiering the two RB's they have, and the run production is also absent all points back to the O-line. Positions that should never, ever be a handicap at LSU, and traditionally are not.
 
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GVF said:
I've never bought in on BK being a bad coach and all. He's had a good track record. Has his natty's at GVSU. But, he's never picked up his P4/5 natty.

BK was always a bad long term choice to fit right at LSU from the beginning. I called that one immediately. The LSU AD should be heading out right behind him for that choice, and for the ridiculous contract right off the bat. Miles wasn't a southern tied coach, but Miles was quircky, and it worked down there. O was the local good ole boy, and was working great till he lost the lid to the cookie jar. Not too far removed from the same antics that derailed Miles at the time. Bk always had to try overly hard to fit, and it did not work. Had he just been BK from the mid-west maybe he'd have faired better. The looks on his face on the sideline this year immediately took me back to how Mike Shula used to posture and look on the Bama sidelines during that travesty.
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Oh, not saying BK is a bad coach at all. I think he's a pretty good coach, actually.

The thing about the LSU job is that you don't have to be a Cajun or a southerner to fit in with the culture there; you just can't be like BK. I'd also say that about Tennessee or most other SEC jobs. Hell, Vitello is an Italian from St Louis and is probably the most "one of us" coach the athletic department has ever had. It's more about your disposition and personality than where you came from or what your personal background is.

The most apt description I can come up with for BK is "corporate." I think that style does fine at Notre Dame, but not at most other big football schools and absolutely not at a place like LSU. Despite being a longtime HC with a lot of experience, I think he knew he was out of his element there. Even though LSU threw a bag at him, I wonder if he ultimately regrets taking that job. He looked genuinely miserable a lot on the sidelines and in pressers.

But let's be real though...the ultimate reason LSU people don't like his style is that he didn't win enough. If he was making the CFP and vying for national titles, I don't think they'd ever love him personally like they loved O but you wouldn't hear them complaining that he's a Yankee or a phony. His poor fit as their HC is merely accentuated by the fact that he didn't win enough.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh, not saying BK is a bad coach at all. I think he's a pretty good coach, actually.

The thing about the LSU job is that you don't have to be a Cajun or a southerner to fit in with the culture there; you just can't be like BK. The most apt description I can come up with for BK is "corporate." I think that style does fine at Notre Dame, but not at most other big football schools and absolutely not at a place like LSU. Despite being a longtime HC with a lot of experience, I think he knew he was out of his element there. Even though LSU threw a bag at him, I wonder if he ultimately regrets taking that job.

But let's be real though...the ultimate reason LSU people don't like his style is that he didn't win enough. If he was making the CFP and vying for national titles, I don't think they'd ever love him personally like they loved O but you wouldn't hear them complaining that he's a Yankee or a phony. His poor fit as their HC is merely accentuated by the fact that he didn't win enough.
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That "style" he and other coaches have done with Tik Toks and such to look cool and fit in with and attract players is very transparent. It wasn't his personality. So, it didn't work. If BK had come in, been a coach and not a side show, he would have won a natty one of of those two years with Daniels. Those were the two seasons that were his shot. They were absolutely loaded on those two rosters. The HC should control the distractions, not be the distraction. "Corporate" can work there IMO. AS long as that is who you are. The culture in central and southern LA is already a melting pot. Miles pulled it off as an outsider. How could BK not do it.

And the winning too. No doubt. Those LSU rosters are not 8-4 rosters. No excuse that he blew those opportunities for hte level coach he should be down there. That program hasn't been middling since Saban got there. Look what he did to us in that '01 SEC game with just Mauck. They've been a premium brand since 2000-2001 for the first real stretch in their history. He had all the cards in his deck handed to him after following those 3 coaches.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh, not saying BK is a bad coach at all. I think he's a pretty good coach, actually.

The thing about the LSU job is that you don't have to be a Cajun or a southerner to fit in with the culture there; you just can't be like BK. I'd also say that about Tennessee or most other SEC jobs. Hell, Vitello is an Italian from St Louis and is probably the most "one of us" coach the athletic department has ever had. It's more about your disposition and personality than where you came from or what your personal background is.

The most apt description I can come up with for BK is "corporate." I think that style does fine at Notre Dame, but not at most other big football schools and absolutely not at a place like LSU. Despite being a longtime HC with a lot of experience, I think he knew he was out of his element there. Even though LSU threw a bag at him, I wonder if he ultimately regrets taking that job. He looked genuinely miserable a lot on the sidelines and in pressers.

But let's be real though...the ultimate reason LSU people don't like his style is that he didn't win enough. If he was making the CFP and vying for national titles, I don't think they'd ever love him personally like they loved O but you wouldn't hear them complaining that he's a Yankee or a phony. His poor fit as their HC is merely accentuated by the fact that he didn't win enough.
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Just overall a bad fit. And when things got bad, with his personality, the fanbase was going to turn on him in an instant.
 
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GVF said:
That "style" he and other coaches have done with Tik Toks and such to look cool and fit in with and attract players is very transparent. It wasn't his personality. So, it didn't work. If BK had come in, been a coach and not a side show, he would have won a natty one of of those two years with Daniels. Those were the two seasons that were his shot. They were absolutely loaded on those two rosters. The HC should control the distractions, not be the distraction. "Corporate" can work there IMO. AS long as that is who you are. The culture in central and southern LA is already a melting pot. Miles pulled it off as an outsider. How could BK not do it.

And the winning too. No doubt. Those LSU rosters are not 8-4 rosters. No excuse that he blew those opportunities for hte level coach he should be down there. That program hasn't been middling since Saban got there. Look what he did to us in that '01 SEC game with just Mauck. They've been a premium brand since 2000-2001 for the first real stretch in their history. He had all the cards in his deck handed to him after following those 3 coaches.
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Agreed. Nick Saban was not a guy with southern roots. He's absolutely more of a Midwesterner. 95% of his prior experience before LSU came from the rust belt/midwestern states. He didn't really have any southern ties recruiting wise. But he didn't change his style when he got to LSU. He knew what worked and he stuck with it.
 
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zjcvols said:
Just overall a bad fit. And when things got bad, with his personality, the fanbase was going to turn on him in an instant.
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Yep. They even turn on one their own relatively quickly (Coach O). They ran off O after what essentially was a poor 6-game stretch and a COVID year that was bad but also was just a really strange season that was hard to read too much into. BK was never going to have a long leash there.

Woodward basically admitted when BK was hired that he went after him, in part, because he was a "big name" that people didn't think he could hire. When you're doing something, anything, primarily because of how you think it'll look to other people, you're going down the wrong path. There's probably a life lesson somewhere in there.
 
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Carp said:
Agreed. Nick Saban was not a guy with southern roots. He's absolutely more of a Midwesterner. 95% of his prior experience before LSU came from the rust belt/midwestern states. He didn't really have any southern ties recruiting wise. But he didn't change his style when he got to LSU. He knew what worked and he stuck with it.
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The only place Saban's style didn't/wouldn't work was the pros. His high demands were suited to preparing the kids for a future, and not just football. And it was who he was. He made no excuses for it, and accepted nothing less from them. By and large, you don't have to be from a culture to work in a culture. But, you do have to be who you are. That will bring some level of moderate success just by itself. He's the model to study for any coach working outside their natural environment. And to osme degree, I'd even say Miles fits that model to study....before he made his bad choices anyway. He was a fish out of water, and won down south too. Myer wasn't a southern rooted coach and was a success by all means at UF. In those caes, they all were just who they were. CJH is not necessarily southern rooted. ND kid. Played on the outskirts of of the mid-south. Built his coaching in FL for a bit. But, he's not a pretender.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. They even turn on one their own relatively quickly (Coach O). They ran off O after what essentially was a poor 6-game stretch and a COVID year that was bad but also was just a really strange season that was hard to read too much into. BK was never going to have a long leash there.

Woodward basically admitted when BK was hired that he went after him, in part, because he was a "big name" that people didn't think he could hire. When you're doing something, anything, primarily because of how you think it'll look to other people, you're going down the wrong path. There's probably a life lesson somewhere in there.
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Coach O was fixing to get them in hot water off the field, and it cost him his marriage to boot. If he'd had any honor to his wife and his shenanigans, he'd likely still be there. The one odd season was just a smoke screen to save face on the heels of the same antics that cost Miles his job there. Back to back scandalous exits.
 
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Carp said:
Agreed. Nick Saban was not a guy with southern roots. He's absolutely more of a Midwesterner. 95% of his prior experience before LSU came from the rust belt/midwestern states. He didn't really have any southern ties recruiting wise. But he didn't change his style when he got to LSU. He knew what worked and he stuck with it.
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Saban even won games at Mich State, which is what got him the LSU job. All he had to do was be Saban to become the legend he became.
 
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