Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
Almost everyone in those structures actually didn't "f*** around" at all, the propaganda is weakening
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The worst part about it is Netanyahu’s been Hamas’s biggest sponsor for many years, propping them up, and then he kills children over the actions of the very terrorist group that he himself supported when he knew they’re a terrorist organization. It wasn’t like Hamas turned over a new leaf on October 7, 2023.

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SquirrelOrange3 said:
The worst part about it is Netanyahu’s been Hamas’s biggest sponsor for many years, propping them up, and then he kills children over the actions of the very terrorist group that he himself supported when he knew they’re a terrorist organization. It wasn’t like Hamas turned over a new leaf on October 7, 2023.

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Oh you mean the nation of Israel helped the people of Gaza by trying to support them through their elected and representative government? And those people took 15 years to build tunnels and make themselves more dependent on Israel to the turn around and attack Israel.

Ya , that’s awful
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
The worst part about it is Netanyahu’s been Hamas’s biggest sponsor for many years, propping them up, and then he kills children over the actions of the very terrorist group that he himself supported when he knew they’re a terrorist organization. It wasn’t like Hamas turned over a new leaf on October 7, 2023.

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I don't understand why Net&yahoo would support Hamas. Can someone explain it to me?
 
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McDad said:
I don't understand why Net&yahoo would support Hamas. Can someone explain it to me?
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They are the elected leaders of Gaza. Part of the peace plan was to help Gaza become a functioning independent state. They’re in charge of everything there. Hospitals schools everything. If he had tried to affect a change in leadership then the same people would be crying that he was trying to subvert the will of the people of Gaza.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
They are the elected leaders of Gaza. Part of the peace plan was to help Gaza become a functioning independent state. They’re in charge of everything there. Hospitals schools everything. If he had tried to affect a change in leadership then the same people would be crying that he was trying to subvert the will of the people of Gaza.
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Gaza hasn't had elections in almost 20 years.

But to your point, BN is working with Hamas leadership and that where it gets twisted to support?
 
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McDad said:
Gaza hasn't had elections in almost 20 years.

But to your point, BN is working with Hamas leadership and that where it gets twisted to support?
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The last election held elected Hamas. That makes them the elected representatives of Gaza. Who else do people expect Israel to try and work with? It’s not like there’s been any opposition or call for change and very little (reported) since the war began, by the people of Gaza.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The last election held elected Hamas. That makes them the elected representatives of Gaza. Who else do people expect Israel to try and work with? It’s not like there’s been any opposition or call for change and very little (reported) since the war began, by the people of Gaza.
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Gazans are not voting anybody as leader in free, safe, anonymous elections. Hamas is evil. They rule through fear and intimidation.
I know you are aware of all that.
I have no idea who Israel is supposed to work with outside of that horrid death cult.
 
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"Those paramedics Israel killed are Hamas. Those journalists are Hamas."
"Hamas is the elected government of Gaza"
So paramedics being associated with the elected government of Gaza makes them terrorists deserving death? Propaganda full of contradictions
 
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McDad said:
Gazans are not voting anybody as leader in free, safe, anonymous elections. Hamas is evil. They rule through fear and intimidation.
I know you are aware of all that.
I have no idea who Israel is supposed to work with outside of that horrid death cult.
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If the election was 20 years ago does that negate them as the leadership of Gaza?
I guess that’s for those complaining that Israel worked with the leaders of Gaza as you already answered the “who was Israel supposed to work with “ question
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
If the election was 20 years ago does that negate them as the leadership of Gaza?
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I'll answer even though I'm not one of those people.
It negates it for me. It's one thing to be duly elected for multiple terms over 20 years. It's another thing to force themselves into and retain leadership.
 
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McDad said:
I'll answer even though I'm not one of those people.
It negates it for me. It's one thing to be duly elected for multiple terms over 20 years. It's another thing to force themselves into and retain leadership.
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You said you “had no idea who Israel should work with if not Hamas” that’s a fair answer. But you’re also not the person playing the damned if you do damned if you don’t game with Israel.

So let’s explore this a bit further if you want….North Korea attacks someone. Is it “fair” to respond even though the people there caught in the crossfire didn’t elect their leaders? If that’s different in your opinion, how is it different?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You said you “had no idea who Israel should work with if not Hamas” that’s a fair answer. But you’re also not the person playing the damned if you do damned if you don’t game with Israel.

So let’s explore this a bit further if you want….North Korea attacks someone. Is it “fair” to respond even though the people there caught in the crossfire didn’t elect their leaders? If that’s different in your opinion, how is it different?
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No difference. Not fair but not any other options. Other countries and other leaders don't get the luxury of only dealing with properly elected leaders or good leaders.
 
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IMG_5438.jpeg🚨 BREAKING - Numbers are in and confirmed.

Most accurate and precise war in modern history, Israeli soldiers sacrificed their own lives to save Gazan civilians and of course, no genocide:

“Using Hamas’s own statistics, and subtracting natural deaths and fatalities caused by munitions fired by Gazan combatants, one gets a total of about 33,000 civilian casualties. The widely accepted number of combatant casualties is at about 25,000.

Every one of those 33,000 civilian casualties is a tragedy and a testament to the effectiveness and ruthlessness of Hamas’s human-shield strategy. That number also means that there are fewer than 1.5 civilian deaths for each combatant war death.

A genocide didn’t happen—that we knew a long time ago. But it is now clear that there is no plausible case that Israel used excessive force against civilians or targeted noncombatants.

The opposite is true: In pursuing Hamas, Israeli soldiers sacrificed their own lives to protect civilians. This is not an interpretation of some contextless video floating around social media; this is established fact.”
 
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MAD said:
View attachment 785149🚨 BREAKING - Numbers are in and confirmed.

Most accurate and precise war in modern history, Israeli soldiers sacrificed their own lives to save Gazan civilians and of course, no genocide:

“Using Hamas’s own statistics, and subtracting natural deaths and fatalities caused by munitions fired by Gazan combatants, one gets a total of about 33,000 civilian casualties. The widely accepted number of combatant casualties is at about 25,000.

Every one of those 33,000 civilian casualties is a tragedy and a testament to the effectiveness and ruthlessness of Hamas’s human-shield strategy. That number also means that there are fewer than 1.5 civilian deaths for each combatant war death.

A genocide didn’t happen—that we knew a long time ago. But it is now clear that there is no plausible case that Israel used excessive force against civilians or targeted noncombatants.

The opposite is true: In pursuing Hamas, Israeli soldiers sacrificed their own lives to protect civilians. This is not an interpretation of some contextless video floating around social media; this is established fact.”
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Anyone that tells you "numbers are in and confirmed" in Gaza is either a complete dumbass, thinks you're a complete dumbass or both. They'll be digging bodies out for weeks, months, maybe years and it will very likely go well into six figures
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why would have anybody been planning to rebuild Gaza 2 years ago?

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Can you not count backward two years? You really are asking “why would they have a plan for what to do after a war that just started?”

How very 2000s American of you, I guess. Someone he hasn’t blocked, tell Huff this isn’t a conspiracy.
 
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