2024 Presidential Race

[luthervol]

There are different variants of democrats like species of primates. Their core beliefs and basic daily talking points align with democrats but they cleverly try to distance themselves to avoid being nailed down. It's obvious post after post over a number of years how they approach topics. The Biden competency/cognitive decline was one. Anyone with an ounce of integrity or the slightest common sense who isn't trolling could see the guy was the most laughable man in charge as far back as anyone alive can remember.

The most laughable man is the one currently in office......not even close.

trumpers are next to lemurs in the primate world

 

[LouderVol]

There are different variants of democrats like species of primates. Their core beliefs and basic daily talking points align with democrats but they cleverly try to distance themselves to avoid being nailed down. It's obvious post after post over a number of years how they approach topics. The Biden competency/cognitive decline was one. Anyone with an ounce of integrity or the slightest common sense who isn't trolling could see the guy was the most laughable man in charge as far back as anyone alive can remember.

for me its a fundamental disagreement about what matters in leadership.

to some, who is doing it matters far more than what they do. ie the Dems will always hate Trump, no matter what he does. same with Maga loving Trump despite him crawfishing on multiple items.

to some the what is what matters, doesn't matter what is said, or who said it, as long as it is done.

sadly for me, the distinction between how bad of a PRESIDENT Trump or Biden were/are comes down to the ability to make A decision. that is what a leader is supposed to do. I don't trust either to make a good decision. but at least Trump is mentally competent enough to make a decision. Biden clearly wasn't. doesn't matter if Biden's team came up with a better decision than Trump could come up with, we don't elect that team. The presidency doesn't end at 4pm like Biden wanted. In cases of emergency it usually doesn't matter what decision you make, its all probably bad; but in those times no decision is worse than a bad decision. Biden is the no decision option, Trump was the bad decision option.

I like to compare him to that lieutenant in Band of Brothers who was always missing when his men needed him. that is a far worse trait in a leader, than one who just makes bad decisions.

 

[luthervol]

you said they weren't fact checking Biden less. they absolutely were, and at the very least it was lies of omission.

No I didn't, I said this. You are the one that bolded the first sentence.

I'm just not sold on the fact that Biden is being fact checked a whole lot less.
But maybe they are not making as big of a deal out of Biden's lies.. not sure.
But that's kind of on trump, he 100% brought that scrutiny on himself.

First you completely misinterpret my post, and then you completely misquote my post.

your actions, voting for Biden, speak louder than any words you can type. the fact that you continuously avoid that truth is telling.

I only ever voted for Biden in the general....against trump....I would do the same every time!!

you previously said he didn't seek reelection. running a campaign is seeking a reelection. dropping out later doesn't void out his previous actions. at least be intellectually honest enough to admit that you were wrong, or at least apologize and say you misspoke in that previous quote.

lol.....he stopped seeking reelection before the election......I think everyone understood that from the start, but maybe I am once again giving more credit than is due.

the last bit is pointing out that the Rs did a more honest job at the part of democracy you claim to care the most about. further pointing to your hypocrisy on the that particular matter. the primary doesn't matter to you at all. you will always play partisan before sticking to any conviction you might hold.

That's absurd. How did the repub primary go in 2020?
Biden was running as an incumbent, show me when in the past an incumbent faced a serious primary challenge.

 

[LouderVol]

No I didn't, I said this. You are the one that bolded the first sentence.

I'm just not sold on the fact that Biden is being fact checked a whole lot less.
But maybe they are not making as big of a deal out of Biden's lies.. not sure.
But that's kind of on trump, he 100% brought that scrutiny on himself.

First you completely misinterpret my post, and then you completely misquote my post.

I only ever voted for Biden in the general....against trump....I would do the same every time!!

lol.....he stopped seeking reelection before the election......I think everyone understood that from the start, but maybe I am once again giving more credit than is due.

That's absurd. How did the repub primary go in 2020?
Biden was running as an incumbent, show me when in the past an incumbent faced a serious primary challenge.

that quote is you not questioning the medias biased coverage of Biden. expanding the quote just makes it even more clear. at BEST you weren't sure. that is no where close to calling out the media for their lies.

you voting for Biden speaks louder than words. the qualifiers don't matter in our elections. you voted for him, which means your vote supported HIM. "not Trump" is not an option.

the issue isn't what everyone understood, its what you actually said. you lied or at least misspoke when you said he didn't seek reelection. he 100% did.

2020 was pretty heavy for Trump, +95%. but it was an honest election. 2020 for the Dems was still full of dirty deeds done dirt cheap to get the results the party, not the electorate, wanted. New York didn't even have a primary that year because Biden was already the choice. Biden was behind until the party dumped everyone else.

 

[GroverCleveland]

No I didn't, I said this. You are the one that bolded the first sentence.

I'm just not sold on the fact that Biden is being fact checked a whole lot less.
But maybe they are not making as big of a deal out of Biden's lies.. not sure.
But that's kind of on trump, he 100% brought that scrutiny on himself.

First you completely misinterpret my post, and then you completely misquote my post.

I only ever voted for Biden in the general....against trump....I would do the same every time!!

lol.....he stopped seeking reelection before the election......I think everyone understood that from the start, but maybe I am once again giving more credit than is due.

That's absurd. How did the repub primary go in 2020?
Biden was running as an incumbent, show me when in the past an incumbent faced a serious primary challenge.

Gerald Ford from Ronald Reagan.
Jimmy Carter from Ted Kennedy.

Just to name a couple.

 

[luthervol]

that quote is you not questioning the medias biased coverage of Biden. expanding the quote just makes it even more clear. at BEST you weren't sure. that is no where close to calling out the media for their lies.

Nope - you need to go ahead and throw in the towel on this one.
I have always acknowledged that media is biased....but not equally with all sources....continuums

you voting for Biden speaks louder than words. the qualifiers don't matter in our elections. you voted for him, which means your vote supported HIM. "not Trump" is not an option.

That's just simply false........Not trump was the only option......any vote that was not for the most viable alternative to trump was never going to be considered

the issue isn't what everyone understood, its what you actually said. you lied or at least misspoke when you said he didn't seek reelection. he 100% did.

It is about what everyone understood......that's sort of the root of communication.

2020 was pretty heavy for Trump, +95%. but it was an honest election. 2020 for the Dems was still full of dirty deeds done dirt cheap to get the results the party, not the electorate, wanted. New York didn't even have a primary that year because Biden was already the choice. Biden was behind until the party dumped everyone else.

Please....that happens in every primary....once there is a clear winner, the remaining primaries are relatively pointless.

 

[luthervol]

Gerald Ford from Ronald Reagan.
Jimmy Carter from Ted Kennedy.

Just to name a couple.

Ford was never elected so that's sort of an outlier.
Kennedy did challenge Carter.....and maybe parties learned the lesson that it ultimately only harmed the party.

So once......to damaging results.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Luther is like a machine..

 

[GroverCleveland]

Ford was never elected so that's sort of an outlier.
Kennedy did challenge Carter.....and maybe parties learned the lesson that it ultimately only harmed the party.

So once......to damaging results.

You specified running as an incumbent, not running for re-election. Ford vs. Reagan does qualify unless you're ignoring what you said.

show me when in the past an incumbent faced a serious primary challenge.