2024 Presidential Race

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[Orangeburst]

Party of “Democracy”

 

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[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The biggest moron & racist person ever to be POTUS is still an idiot as usual.
We were told that behind doors he (Biden) actually hated her guts & blamed her for his failure in Office. She didn't accomplish anything as VP & couldn't speak w/out a word salad of meaningless words that made no sense to anyone listening. No one wanted her as the POTUS bc she was too dumb and lazy to do the job.

 

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[Vol8188]

The other explanation is that he's confusing the backstory from the movie Scarface for real life (when he says "they're emptying their asylums" and **** like that). Whatever the explanation is, it's not a good one for Trump.

Right wingers with any credibility and consistency at all should be using those lines about Biden being senile and old on their guy Trump. It's so much more clear how worrisome Trump's aging mental state is now that Biden is out of the way.

Of course, you could also say, "Trump isn't confused, he's lying and fearmongering." which is a great defense.

Amazing

 

[McDad]

Nice!!!! “international talk like a pirate day” on September 19th. As a community message everyone please mark your calendars accordingly!! Cheers!!!

Arrr. Shiver me timbers!

That be today!

 

[LouderVol]

Not on everything .... and you are free to point those times out.

On the particular issue of these two old men being diminished and making gaffes when they speak (as men their age are prone to doing), there is a double standard on the part of Republicans which excuses Trump but labels Biden senile.

And with trump's faster rate of decline, he will surpass Biden in June, around the 17th.

I'm just not sold on the fact that Biden is being fact checked a whole lot less.
But maybe they are not making as big of a deal out of Biden's lies.. not sure.
But that's kind of on trump, he 100% brought that scrutiny on himself.

Most trumpers refuse to admit trump is as senile as Biden.....if not worse.

Was, and yes, as far as being fit to serve as POTUS

Senior moments vs. a convicted felon, rapist and pathological liar who led a failed coup attempt against the American government and
who gets little hard-ons pining for his War Criminal Pimp in Moscow?

I'll stick with the old fella....

WHAT?????????????????????????
I didn't want him as the nominee in 20.
I've been saying he was unfit all along.

But I also view him as less unfit than trump.
Neither should be allowed to run. Both should face the 25th immediately if they win in '24.

He just gave a speech a couple of nights ago and sounded lucid and in control.

Here you go @luthervol

here are our Dems "not buying" that Biden was worse than Trump on the mental decline. If the dates don't show up, the bottom are the newest, the top are the oldest. There is definitely a major shift in the tone of the democrats in defending Biden around that first debate. The last two are post debate, the rest are pre-debate.

there is a consistent trend of the Dems pointing out that any issue Biden had, Trump had worse. and I even have you talking about Biden NOT being fact checked less, you thought the media was being honest with his condition. SHowing that you did buy the media's lies about Biden.

even your tone changed, before Biden's rate of decline was not as bad as Trump, afterwards you switch to trying to make some distinction that you thought Biden was fine now, but wouldn't be after his 2020 term was up, and that is the only reason he stepped down. you actively avoided admitting Biden had a legitimate enough problem to knock him out, you just kept it up that he COULD get to that point.

later still you admit to wanting to 25th both of them, but that is missing in the pre-July posts.

yall were never honest about Biden's status.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Here you go @luthervol

here are our Dems "not buying" that Biden was worse than Trump on the mental decline. If the dates don't show up, the bottom are the newest, the top are the oldest. There is definitely a major shift in the tone of the democrats in defending Biden around that first debate. The last two are post debate, the rest are pre-debate.

there is a consistent trend of the Dems pointing out that any issue Biden had, Trump had worse. and I even have you talking about Biden NOT being fact checked less, you thought the media was being honest with his condition. SHowing that you did buy the media's lies about Biden.

even your tone changed, before Biden's rate of decline was not as bad as Trump, afterwards you switch to trying to make some distinction that you thought Biden was fine now, but wouldn't be after his 2020 term was up, and that is the only reason he stepped down. you actively avoided admitting Biden had a legitimate enough problem to knock him out, you just kept it up that he COULD get to that point.

later still you admit to wanting to 25th both of them, but that is missing in the pre-July posts.

yall were never honest about Biden's status.

Not a member of the Democratic party

 

[luthervol]

Here you go @luthervol

here are our Dems "not buying" that Biden was worse than Trump on the mental decline. If the dates don't show up, the bottom are the newest, the top are the oldest. There is definitely a major shift in the tone of the democrats in defending Biden around that first debate. The last two are post debate, the rest are pre-debate.

there is a consistent trend of the Dems pointing out that any issue Biden had, Trump had worse. and I even have you talking about Biden NOT being fact checked less, you thought the media was being honest with his condition. SHowing that you did buy the media's lies about Biden.

even your tone changed, before Biden's rate of decline was not as bad as Trump, afterwards you switch to trying to make some distinction that you thought Biden was fine now, but wouldn't be after his 2020 term was up, and that is the only reason he stepped down. you actively avoided admitting Biden had a legitimate enough problem to knock him out, you just kept it up that he COULD get to that point.

later still you admit to wanting to 25th both of them, but that is missing in the pre-July posts.

yall were never honest about Biden's status.

You put a lot of time and effort into that......but I'm not sure why.

Biden wasn't mentally fit to run in 20.
trump wasn't mentally/emotionally fit to run in 16, 20, or 24 (worse every time)
Biden's decline wasn't linear.......
his condition wasn't as bad in 20 as it was in 22.
his condition wasn't as bad in 22 as it was in 24.
the amount of decline from 22-24 was much greater than the amount of decline from 20-22.

People's opinions should have changed over time.....anyone who didn't change their opinion should be the one questioned.

Having said all that, Biden was still preferable to trump in '24.

 

[LouderVol]

Not a member of the Democratic party

apologies, that is a pretty damning alligation.

 

[LouderVol]

You put a lot of time and effort into that......but I'm not sure why.

Biden wasn't mentally fit to run in 20.
trump wasn't mentally/emotionally fit to run in 16, 20, or 24 (worse every time)
Biden's decline wasn't linear.......
his condition wasn't as bad in 20 as it was in 22.
his condition wasn't as bad in 22 as it was in 24.
the amount of decline from 22-24 was much greater than the amount of decline from 20-22.

People's opinions should have changed over time.....anyone who didn't change their opinion should be the one questioned.

Having said all that, Biden was still preferable to trump in '24.

I put the work in because you said none of it ever happened. I am pointing out that, yet again, you show a complete inability to anything close to objective when it comes to Trump.

and as I have continued to say, your (royal you) actions will lead to far worse than Trump.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Having said all that, Biden was still preferable to trump in '24.

You are a clown. My only hope is that your children recognize it and push back. You seem like a caring father, but everything is a bridge too far.

 

[luthervol]

Here you go @luthervol

here are our Dems "not buying" that Biden was worse than Trump on the mental decline. If the dates don't show up, the bottom are the newest, the top are the oldest. There is definitely a major shift in the tone of the democrats in defending Biden around that first debate. The last two are post debate, the rest are pre-debate.

As I stated in my previous response. Biden's worsening condition wasn't linear. Opinions should have changed over time.

there is a consistent trend of the Dems pointing out that any issue Biden had, Trump had worse.

trump was less mentally/emotionally fit.

and I even have you talking about Biden NOT being fact checked less, you thought the media was being honest with his condition. SHowing that you did buy the media's lies about Biden.

I have no idea how this is relevant. That in NO WAY is claiming I felt the media was being honest about his condition.
So it obviously in NO WAY shows that I did buy the media's lies about Biden.
There are no logical connections to any of that.

even your tone changed, before Biden's rate of decline was not as bad as Trump, afterwards you switch to trying to make some distinction that you thought Biden was fine now, but wouldn't be after his 2020 term was up, and that is the only reason he stepped down. you actively avoided admitting Biden had a legitimate enough problem to knock him out, you just kept it up that he COULD get to that point.

I guess you mean 2024.
You do understand that rate A could be greater than rate B at one point in time but then have rate B be greater than rate A at a later point in time.
You may be talking about my stance in Biden's last 6 months or so in office......when the right was screaming for Biden to resign. My stance was that he was good enough to finish out a half of year but not four and a half years. I stand by that as a perfectly reasonable stance.

later still you admit to wanting to 25th both of them, but that is missing in the pre-July posts.

I'm certain I was calling for the 25th early in Biden's term.....2020.

yall were never honest about Biden's status.

How could I be more honest than saying he was unfit and that the 25th should be used......yet he was still a far more preferable choice than trump?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Here you go @luthervol

here are our Dems "not buying" that Biden was worse than Trump on the mental decline. If the dates don't show up, the bottom are the newest, the top are the oldest. There is definitely a major shift in the tone of the democrats in defending Biden around that first debate. The last two are post debate, the rest are pre-debate.

there is a consistent trend of the Dems pointing out that any issue Biden had, Trump had worse. and I even have you talking about Biden NOT being fact checked less, you thought the media was being honest with his condition. SHowing that you did buy the media's lies about Biden.

even your tone changed, before Biden's rate of decline was not as bad as Trump, afterwards you switch to trying to make some distinction that you thought Biden was fine now, but wouldn't be after his 2020 term was up, and that is the only reason he stepped down. you actively avoided admitting Biden had a legitimate enough problem to knock him out, you just kept it up that he COULD get to that point.

later still you admit to wanting to 25th both of them, but that is missing in the pre-July posts.

yall were never honest about Biden's status.

I didn't say anything about who was "worse." Just that there is a double standard, that excuses Trump for making harmless gaffes, but labels Biden as senile. I still feel that way. The ridiculous story that Trump told about his uncle teaching Ted Kaczynski at MIT being a good example. That sort of thing was handled completely differently with Biden.

 

[luthervol]

You are a clown. My only hope is that your children recognize it and push back. You seem like a caring father, but everything is a bridge too far.

On the political continuum.....out of my family of five.....I'm the fourth most liberal.

I often find myself playing the moderate role.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

apologies, that is a pretty damning alligation.

If I were, I wouldn't be afraid to admit it. Just setting the record straight for you. Not sure about that post you quoted. You have have taken it out of context

 

[LouderVol]

As I stated in my previous response. Biden's worsening condition wasn't linear. Opinions should have changed over time.


trump was less mentally/emotionally fit.

I have no idea how this is relevant. That in NO WAY is claiming I felt the media was being honest about his condition.
So it obviously in NO WAY shows that I did buy the media's lies about Biden.
There are no logical connections to any of that.


I guess you mean 2024.
You do understand that rate A could be greater than rate B at one point in time but then have rate B be greater than rate A at a later point in time.
You may be talking about my stance in Biden's last 6 months or so in office......when the right was screaming for Biden to resign. My stance was that he was good enough to finish out a half of year but not four and a half years. I stand by that as a perfectly reasonable stance.

I'm certain I was calling for the 25th early in Biden's term.....2020.


How could I be more honest than saying he was unfit and that the 25th should be used......yet he was still a far more preferable choice than trump?

on the media front, you said that 95% of Dems didn't buy their lies. I pointed out that you clearly did. you thought they were being honest about Biden. you weren't the only one. try searching "deepfakes" in this thread, you get some nice hits across the board.

Biden was mentally unfit before he won in 2020, and I would argue because of medical reason; not that he was just a DA like Trump. I have multiple posters, including you, talking about how Biden was approaching Trumps level in the 2024 campaign, when it was clear Biden was far worse mentally than Trump even going back to the 2020 campaign.

Yall literally ignored reports that said he was unfit to serve, pretended like it never happened. he was ruled medically ineligible, not mentally competent enough to stand trial, and yall ignored it. the actual term was that he lacked the "mental state of willfullness" to be liable for his own actions.

its like a football player, Trump is a bad player, never deserved to be on the field, except that his dad gives lots of money to the team. Biden was also a bad player, never deserved to be on the field, except that he works with the corrupt officials to get the calls his way. Both had issues, one was better in the run game, the other in the pass, but even in those areas they aren't good enough. The addition is that Biden is also clearly dealing with a lasting medical issue. Had a career ending medical condition that he was clearly dealing with in the season before, but you and similar fans argued he should be out on the field. Ignoring that he wasn't good enough to be out there, and pretending like he didn't have a clear medical issue. It wasn't until the Trumps play on the field was clearly better than Biden, that you start to admit that yeah Biden issues are prohibitive. and afterwards, after 2 seasons of saying how Biden should be out there, you start to try and claim that Biden should never have been out there. It is clear partisan revisionism.

and you the master of "primaries are everything" Biden didn't even get primaried. so clearly yall weren't worried about his mental state.

 

[LouderVol]

If I were, I wouldn't be afraid to admit it. Just setting the record straight for you. Not sure about that post you quoted. You have have taken it out of context

you can click the little arrow next to your name to go back to the quote.

you were discussing with someone who was more mentally unfit. there were several back and forths before that one. you said Trump clearly was, and you were justifying your stance based on your experience dealing with Alzheimer's patients, claiming that Biden didn't show any such signs to be concerned about.

 

[luthervol]

on the media front, you said that 95% of Dems didn't buy their lies. I pointed out that you clearly did. you thought they were being honest about Biden. you weren't the only one. try searching "deepfakes" in this thread, you get some nice hits across the board.

lol...you pointed out no such thing. Not even remotely.

Biden was mentally unfit before he won in 2020, and I would argue because of medical reason; not that he was just a DA like Trump. I have multiple posters, including you, talking about how Biden was approaching Trumps level in the 2024 campaign, when it was clear Biden was far worse mentally than Trump even going back to the 2020 campaign.

Disagree. Biden was worse in some ways....trump was far worse than others. Goes back to the "a rock is more fit that trump". trump was and still is unfit for offce.

Yall literally ignored reports that said he was unfit to serve, pretended like it never happened. he was ruled medically ineligible, not mentally competent enough to stand trial, and yall ignored it. the actual term was that he lacked the "mental state of willfullness" to be liable for his own actions.

No one ignored it. The proof ------he didn't run for reelection

its like a football player, Trump is a bad player, never deserved to be on the field, except that his dad gives lots of money to the team. Biden was also a bad player, never deserved to be on the field, except that he works with the corrupt officials to get the calls his way. Both had issues, one was better in the run game, the other in the pass, but even in those areas they aren't good enough. The addition is that Biden is also clearly dealing with a lasting medical issue. Had a career ending medical condition that he was clearly dealing with in the season before, but you and similar fans argued he should be out on the field. Ignoring that he wasn't good enough to be out there, and pretending like he didn't have a clear medical issue.

His medical issue was different than trump's but trump's condition made him far more dangerous to other players also on the field.

It wasn't until the Trumps play on the field was clearly better than Biden, that you start to admit that yeah Biden issues are prohibitive. and afterwards, after 2 seasons of saying how Biden should be out there, you start to try and claim that Biden should never have been out there. It is clear partisan revisionism.

Simply not true. I said Biden shouldn't be out there from the beginning. But if it had to be one....Biden was the better choice. THAT NEVER CHANGED.....I still feel that way today.

and you the master of "primaries are everything" Biden didn't even get primaried. so clearly yall weren't worried about his mental state.

How often does the incumbent face a serious primary?

 

[LouderVol]

lol...you pointed out no such thing. Not even remotely.

Disagree. Biden was worse in some ways....trump was far worse than others. Goes back to the "a rock is more fit that trump". trump was and still is unfit for offce.

No one ignored it. The proof ------he didn't run for reelection

His medical issue was different than trump's but trump's condition made him far more dangerous to other players also on the field.

Simply not true. I said Biden shouldn't be out there from the beginning. But if it had to be one....Biden was the better choice. THAT NEVER CHANGED.....I still feel that way today.

How often does the incumbent face a serious primary?

How is you denying the media is lying about Biden not you buying their BS?

comparing either of them to a rock is not the point. both of them have always been within single digits of the IQ of a rock. the issue with Biden is you take that, and you add the medical issues which were clearly diminishing his already poor state even further.

medical issues trump, forgive the turn of phrase, "normal" conditions. you never use the person with medical issues. its a risk for the team, the nation, and it exploits someone who clearly needs medical help. its damning on two levels, and you were all for running it back with Biden.


remind me, what percentage of the primary vote did Kamala get? you know since Biden wasn't seeking reelection. yes he did run for reelection. See this is the type of bs you stoop to, to try and blame Trump. Biden was actively campaigning for 7 months of 2024. How could he have stepped down from the race, if he was never in it.

the Dems primary had about 1.5 million that didn't vote for Biden. The Rs primary had more than 4.2 million that didn't vote for Trump. Despite there being more resistance from the Rs, more people voted for Trump in the primary, than voted for all Democrat candidates in their primary.

even percentage wise it was 76.4% for Trump and 87.1% for Biden out of their primaries.

and even looking at the competition Trump faced much steeper competition. Nikki Haley grabbed more than 20% of the vote, the biggest threat to Biden grabbed 3% of the vote.

 

[luthervol]

How is you denying the media is lying about Biden not you buying their BS?

Where did I deny the media was lying?

comparing either of them to a rock is not the point. both of them have always been within single digits of the IQ of a rock. the issue with Biden is you take that, and you add the medical issues which were clearly diminishing his already poor state even further.

medical issues trump, forgive the turn of phrase, "normal" conditions. you never use the person with medical issues. its a risk for the team, the nation, and it exploits someone who clearly needs medical help. its damning on two levels, and you were all for running it back with Biden.

I was NEVER for running it back with Biden. For the 100th time....I said he should be 25th from the start. The only way Biden should be considered at all is if the only other alternative is trump......a far worse choice.

remind me, what percentage of the primary vote did Kamala get? you know since Biden wasn't seeking reelection. yes he did run for reelection. See this is the type of bs you stoop to, to try and blame Trump. Biden was actively campaigning for 7 months of 2024. How could he have stepped down from the race, if he was never in it.

WTH?? He went from seeking reelection from not seeking reelection. People recognized his worsening condition and acted accordingly.

the Dems primary had about 1.5 million that didn't vote for Biden. The Rs primary had more than 4.2 million that didn't vote for Trump. Despite there being more resistance from the Rs, more people voted for Trump in the primary, than voted for all Democrat candidates in their primary.

even percentage wise it was 76.4% for Trump and 87.1% for Biden out of their primaries.

and even looking at the competition Trump faced much steeper competition. Nikki Haley grabbed more than 20% of the vote, the biggest threat to Biden grabbed 3% of the vote.

And all of that is supposed to mean what?

 

[BreatheUT]

you can click the little arrow next to your name to go back to the quote.

you were discussing with someone who was more mentally unfit. there were several back and forths before that one. you said Trump clearly was, and you were justifying your stance based on your experience dealing with Alzheimer's patients, claiming that Biden didn't show any such signs to be concerned about.

There are different variants of democrats like species of primates. Their core beliefs and basic daily talking points align with democrats but they cleverly try to distance themselves to avoid being nailed down. It's obvious post after post over a number of years how they approach topics. The Biden competency/cognitive decline was one. Anyone with an ounce of integrity or the slightest common sense who isn't trolling could see the guy was the most laughable man in charge as far back as anyone alive can remember.

 

[LouderVol]

Where did I deny the media was lying?

I was NEVER for running it back with Biden. For the 100th time....I said he should be 25th from the start. The only way Biden should be considered at all is if the only other alternative is trump......a far worse choice.

WTH?? He went from seeking reelection from not seeking reelection. People recognized his worsening condition and acted accordingly.

And all of that is supposed to mean what?

you said they weren't fact checking Biden less. they absolutely were, and at the very least it was lies of omission.

your actions, voting for Biden, speak louder than any words you can type. the fact that you continuously avoid that truth is telling.

you previously said he didn't seek reelection. running a campaign is seeking a reelection. dropping out later doesn't void out his previous actions. at least be intellectually honest enough to admit that you were wrong, or at least apologize and say you misspoke in that previous quote.

the last bit is pointing out that the Rs did a more honest job at the part of democracy you claim to care the most about. further pointing to your hypocrisy on the that particular matter. the primary doesn't matter to you at all. you will always play partisan before sticking to any conviction you might hold.