Serious question about DW

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TNinSC said:
AD's in past 25 years:
  • Danny White (2021-present)
  • Phillip Fulmer (2017-21)
  • John Currie (2017)
  • Dave Hart (2011-16)
  • Joan Cronan (2011)
  • Mike Hamilton (2003-10)

Who do you think has done the most for the athletic programs from this list?
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Admittedly, Danny White by a mile. Some embarrassing names on that list.
 
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JayHud said:
This is not a pile on post about DW. This is a serious question. Why do so many people feel like he is the best AD we have ever had? I’m not saying he is or isn’t just wondering why so many feel this way.
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Three straight all sports trophies SEC and second place this year. Our overall sports program has been elevated to the best in the SEC over the last four years. I agree he may be a little bit of a money grabber when it comes to us fans, but the overall results of the sports program has been awesome. Were also now one of the richest SEC schools. Think were right near the top in total revenue. I know were winning a lot of SEC Championships in some sports no one cares about and we certainly need football to get better.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Three straight all sports trophies SEC and second place this year. Our overall sports program has been elevated to the best in the SEC over the last four years. I agree he may be a little bit of a money grabber when it comes to us fans, but the overall results of the sports program has been awesome. Were also now one of the richest SEC schools. Think were right near the top in total revenue. I know were winning a lot of SEC Championships in some sports no one cares about and we certainly need football to get better.
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DW gets no credit for baseball and men's basketball, softball and others. He didn't hire those coaches.
 
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Rocky Top T said:
DW gets no credit for baseball and men's basketball, softball and others. He didn't hire those coaches.
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I disagree he has to get some credit committed 109 million for a renovated baseball stadium and made Tony the highest paid SEC baseball coach. He has also extended very excellent contracts to all the current Coaches. I guess he could've offered Tony 4 million a season and an extension, but he wasn't staying regardless.
 
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Just hire Elander would be great advice for Danny. Give him like 1.5 million a year for four years deal to start. Take the other 1.5 million he was paying Tony and put it into NIL for players. If we sustain winning then he can extend Elander from there and if not then he can hire his own guy.
 
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volfan102455 said:
True but baseball was actually on the rise and part of that was the interest generated by coaches like TV.

We may end up having to drop the "everything" school motto.
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How much impact do we think DW had toward the success of baseball or basketball? I’d say it’s almost zero. In fact, I’d say Rick Barnes went solo in mustering NIL dollars from donors to build this roster.

How hard should it be to succeed at women’s basketball at UT? I know there are e a LOT of women’s bball fans who were furious that Kelly was never afforded the same NIL advantages that Mim was immediately given. DW needs to apologize to Kelly. His track and field hire is a disaster.

Football. Heupel has been an improvement but let’s not forget who Danny offered the job to. This was his fifth choice. I also wonder how much of this just looks better against the backdrop of outright incompetence from the 15 years prior. I’d say having a chancellor and president who are fully vested in athletic success is the biggest factor.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I disagree he has to get some credit committed 109 million for a renovated baseball stadium and made Tony the highest paid SEC baseball coach. He has also extended very excellent contracts to all the current Coaches. I guess he could've offered Tony 4 million a season and an extension, but he wasn't staying regardless.
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It was the worst stadium in the league. And let’s not act like this was driven by $$. Pretty much all of the dollars in reno are about the premium dollar opportunities. The baseball stadium had virtually none. The porches were it, and if you’ve ever been out there, you’re pissing in porta potties and standing on aluminum. Those sky box opportunities are why Danny wants a stadium.

My guess is the demand for baseball tickets will plummet.
 
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taylorvol said:
Baseball was closer to $9M in 2024. Baseball is 3rd in Rev with LV Basketball 4th.

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5 Million of the 9 Million in revenue for baseball was for Donations. Would wonder what that would be normally when they aren't building a fancy new stadium. Also 2.3 million of women's basketballs expenses in those calculations are for severance payments for firing their head coach and her staff. I also strongly suspect that CTV salary for this report didn't reflect his new contract as it list a head coach salary of 1.9 million.
 
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wellsea180 said:
5 Million of the 9 Million in revenue for baseball was for Donations. Would wonder what that would be normally when they aren't building a fancy new stadium. Also 2.3 million of women's basketballs expenses in those calculations are for severance payments for firing their head coach and her staff. I also strongly suspect that CTV salary for this report didn't reflect his new contract as it list a head coach salary of 1.9 million.
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You are correct on all the above. A 5 year average for Rev and Exp would be a better comparison.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Again, this shows how delusional some of y'all are.

2024 Revenue:
Football $149M
Basketball $27.4M
LV Basketball $4M
All other sports $16M (baseball approx $4M)

So, do you think baseball's $4M is closer to $149M, $27.4M, or whatever volleyball generates?
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The women’s program has a 18k seat arena and practice facility for free.

Baseball, prior to the completion of the new stadium, afforded NO OPPORTUNITY for generating premium revenue. All of those upcoming premium opportunities were presold, but they don’t show up yet. This also FAILS miserably to understand the marketing value of Tony. He pissed exceptionalism and brought value across the board. Which other coach is getting invited on the draft shows? Look at baseball revenue in the short time he was here.

Further, the university does not break down apparel sales by individual sport. I’d be willing to bet it’s disproportionately favorable to baseball.

Sorry to offend but these takes are stupid and demonstrate a failure to understand what we had.
 
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WaywardVol said:
The women’s program has a 18k seat arena and practice facility for free.

Baseball, prior to the completion of the new stadium, afforded NO OPPORTUNITY for generating premium revenue. All of those upcoming premium opportunities were presold, but they don’t show up yet. This also FAILS miserably to understand the marketing value of Tony. He pissed exceptionalism and brought value across the board. Which other coach is getting invited on the draft shows? Look at baseball revenue in the short time he was here.

Further, the university does not break down apparel sales by individual sport. I’d be willing to bet it’s disproportionately favorable to baseball.

Sorry to offend but these takes are stupid and demonstrate a failure to understand what we had.
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It’s impossible to break all this out and quantify it. Not to mention the fact that baseball probably also generated exceptional revenues in 2024 because they won a national championship (the first in school history) that year. (Does that mean the 2026 baseball players deserve to get paid based on what the 2024 team did?)

And even so, in a year when baseball literally achieved the greatest possible success (and potentially including up to $5M of one-time donations, and not reflecting $1.4M+ of increased go-forward salary costs), baseball still lost more money than almost every other sport on campus. (Track being an exception, but, to be fair, it looks like track and cross country are actually being collapsed into one sport for accounting purposes.)

In any event, what Tony did here was special, and that level of success is great for the university, but it doesn’t change the fact that the baseball program burns a lot of money. For people to sit here and say the AD should just pay Tony $20M, or pay the players a bunch of money or whatever… where is that money coming from? I can tell you one place it’s NOT coming from is baseball revenue.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Volleyball is a growing sport at all levels. When I was young, it was just something we played in gym class. (I am aging myself)

I like baseball and softball but will admit that if you don't just like it, it is generally not full of action like some of the other sports are so some find it boring.

I like watching 5 to 10 years olds play more than anything - it can be comical.
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I find that if I care who wins, it makes all the difference. Sports I consider boring, are not, if I care who wins.
 
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EZE said:
Do you folks not understand that there will be disruptions while construction is happening…especially with 100k pouring through the little holes to get into the stadium?

This is becoming a kindergarten-level forum.

“Insufferable” is the word that comes to mind.
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There is absolutely NO construction on the side of Neyland that I enter. They caused the initial issue because they changed the band route.

And they are causing the issue with leaving, because they now have the road that used to be open, blocked for NO reason (i.e. no construction)
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I disagree he has to get some credit committed 109 million for a renovated baseball stadium and made Tony the highest paid SEC baseball coach. He has also extended very excellent contracts to all the current Coaches. I guess he could've offered Tony 4 million a season and an extension, but he wasn't staying regardless.
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No he doesn't. He did not hire them. They were extended because that is what you do when a coach is successful.
 
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