Poll: Should Heupel make Staff Changes?

Poll: Should Heupel make Staff Changes?

  • Yes

    Votes: 282 89.8%

  • No

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Total voters
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#26
#26
GoVols64 said:
Chances are definitely a lot lower. Odds are also JA makes a good throw vs. what he did.

I think we agree more than we don’t. I just feel the call wasn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. Routine throw from an accurate QB, favorable matchup vs. personnel on field. Not my favorite call but should have worked.

Also need to factor in what the plan was if it’s incomplete. 13 sec left, burn 6 sec for the play and you either kick or risk one more go thinking you’ll have a sec left. Don’t know but coaches are thinking ahead, would be interested to know the follow-on would have been.
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It was not the right play call. Throwing into the end zone is what they needed to do by running several WRs to give Aguilar some quick options or just throw ball away quickly. The play was snuffed out because who else do you throw to out of that type of formation. The defender broke on the ball early because he knew it was coming. There's also no one there to stop him from taking it to the house like he did. Throw the ball few more yards into the end zone and it makes it nearly impossible to return for a pick 6. The play almost looked staged.

Throw into the end zone and 3 things happen.....TD, incomplete and kick, or pick and Bama takes a knee.....all 3 of those are much better than what happened
 
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#27
#27
madbamahater said:
Throw to a guy on an island who often drops the ball running sideways across the field? Yep what a great call and high percentage play. Having your actual receivers out there would've been such a a worse proposition.
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Agree to disagree I suppose. To be clear not saying it was the best call available to us but it was there. You can't argue with Kits was open and the throw was bad. Everything else I conceed is debatable.
 
#28
#28
Godfatha said:
The call was terrible. Everyone in the world watching knew we had to pass. Why run a set like that with what, two routes, and play action pass?
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Agree to disagree I suppose. To be clear not saying it was the best call available to us but it was there. You can't argue with Kits was open and the throw was bad. Everything else I conceed is debatable.
 
#29
#29
madbamahater said:
It was not the right play call. Throwing into the end zone is what they needed to do by running several WRs to give Aguilar some quick options or just throw ball away quickly. The play was snuffed out because who else do you throw to out of that type of formation. The defender broke on the ball early because he knew it was coming. There's also no one there to stop him from taking it to the house like he did. Throw the ball few more yards into the end zone and it makes it nearly impossible to return for a pick 6. The play almost looked staged.

Throw into the end zone and 3 things happen.....TD, incomplete and kick, or pick and Bama takes a knee.....all 3 of those are much better than what happened
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It's not that Black and White. You run a play that gets open and Kits was open. Could there have been different calls that work? Yes, 100%. That doesn't mean another series of things couldn't have happened. TD, Pick, FG, Sack/fumble (a la JG a few years back).
 
#30
#30
GoVols64 said:
It's not that Black and White. You run a play that gets open and Kits was open. Could there have been different calls that work? Yes, 100%. That doesn't mean another series of things couldn't have happened. TD, Pick, FG, Sack/fumble (a la JG a few years back).
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They chose a low percentage play to a guy who has struggled to make plays after a timeout and showing their hand in a must pass situation that the defense and 98.73% of people watching knew was coming. Bad call that fooled no one, especially the guy that housed it for 100 yards. Not good
 
#31
#31
madbamahater said:
They chose a low percentage play to a guy who has struggled to make plays after a timeout and showing their hand in a must pass situation that the defense and 98.73% of people watching knew was coming. Bad call that fooled no one, especially the guy that housed it for 100 yards. Not good
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We clearly see this differently, all good. I do stand by the fact that if the throw was what JA usually does, it isn't run back to the house. Go Vols!
 
#32
#32
Need better players not better coaches.....

Keep the continuity.
 
#34
#34
GoVols64 said:
The call was fine, the throw was disastrous.
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The throw was obviously disastrous, but the primary fault was the call.

UT has run three plays out of that formation all season - handoff to Kitzelman, handoff to the RB with Kitzelman as the lead back, and the play action flair pass to Kitzelman. When Alabama called timeout after seeing the formation, they had clearly scouted it and knew Heupel wouldn't run it with no timeouts (which makes play action useless), and had their DB ready for it.

I was shocked when we came out in the same set, and more shocked they actually ran that play. Yeah, Joey needs to throw that more to the outside, but the call couldn't have been more telegraphed.
 
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#35
#35
At the end of the season he should but he will not unless they leave on their own
 
#37
#37
GoVols64 said:
That's fine. The criticisms were around the heavy formation when you were 99.9% going to pass; not wrong. I stand by the fact that Kitz was open and a well placed ball doesn't get run back for 6.
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The point is, after the timeout why not come back in a spread formation with four WR's and a back next to Joey? You have infinite options out of that - get Joey on the move in a RPO, or even hand to the back with a lighter box. Why limit yourself to the 2-3 plays you've run out of that heavy formation, practically telling the defense what's coming with no timeouts?
 
#39
#39
sami said:
The point is, after the timeout why not come back in a spread formation with four WR's and a back next to Joey? You have infinite options out of that - get Joey on the move in a RPO, or even hand to the back with a lighter box. Why limit yourself to the 2-3 plays you've run out of that heavy formation, practically telling the defense what's coming with no timeouts?
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It really didn't make much sense lining up that way. You had already wasted too much time to line up like that. Joey on the other hand shat the bed with that pass. You just can't throw that ball there. That was coaching malpractice and the worst of Joey coming out all at once. Being it was against the gumps made it ten times worse.
 
#41
#41
Honestly I’d overhaul most of the staff. I’d wanna keep RG for sure. But with as many head coaches who are being fired, you could potentially go get a bunch of highly over-qualified position coaches for a couple years.

Martinez has to go for sure though. And it’s time to move on from Banks. Those two should be non-negotiable
 
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#42
#42
sami said:
The throw was obviously disastrous, but the primary fault was the call.

UT has run three plays out of that formation all season - handoff to Kitzelman, handoff to the RB with Kitzelman as the lead back, and the play action flair pass to Kitzelman. When Alabama called timeout after seeing the formation, they had clearly scouted it and knew Heupel wouldn't run it with no timeouts (which makes play action useless), and had their DB ready for it.

I was shocked when we came out in the same set, and more shocked they actually ran that play. Yeah, Joey needs to throw that more to the outside, but the call couldn't have been more telegraphed.
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I respect your thoughts but it would have/should have worked; Kitz was open. Yes, they knew it was a pass. The DB/LB widened and played it well. If JA puts that ball, with some air, to the pylon we are not having this debate. JA did a few things he would likely want back. 1. Weak ball fake. 2. Stared Kitz down. 3. bad ball placement due to a "meh" block by the RB on the blitzer causing him to throw off of his back foot.

Again, I am not arguing other calls or formations weren't better but our coaches knew the Bama personnel on the field, had studied their tendencies and discussed goal line plays all week. What works against their personnel, what are their tendencies by down, distance, situation..... This call wasn't pulled out of the air and they liked the matchup.

I'm nearly certain if it had resulted in a TD (or incompletion) for us, nobody is batting an eye at the call. Announcers praise it and we are all singing kumbaya. Unless you, me, or anyone, was sitting in prep meetings and gameplanning there is a lot we are all assuming with the luxury of knowing what happened vs. what was expected.
 
#44
#44
sami said:
The point is, after the timeout why not come back in a spread formation with four WR's and a back next to Joey? You have infinite options out of that - get Joey on the move in a RPO, or even hand to the back with a lighter box. Why limit yourself to the 2-3 plays you've run out of that heavy formation, practically telling the defense what's coming with no timeouts?
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100% fair observation. I don't know, but assume they like the matchups, ability to get back on the line fast etc.... It wasn't unintentional and the coaches would have to comment.
 
#47
#47
rickyyrs said:
Whoever sent in that play on goal line before halftime. When the Bama DB picked it off and went 99 yards needs to not call plays. You leave your best WRs on the sideline.
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lol. You are clueless. That play gets ran on the goal line a lot all around the country. The play call wasn’t terrible fine. It was a terrible throw by JA. If he makes a good throw it’s a TD.
 
#49
#49
BigOrangeTrain said:
lol. You are clueless. That play gets ran on the goal line a lot all around the country. The play call wasn’t terrible fine. It was a terrible throw by JA. If he makes a good throw it’s a TD.
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If it's a good play why would you have your best WRs not in the game. Vols have one of the best WRs in college football. You don't see Bama or other good teams have their best WRs sitting out .
 
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