Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[volbeast33]

This. It's not a gimmick to be able to scheme people wide open. But scheming people wide open makes the players look better than they actually are, which is why their success doesn't always translate to the NFL where they aren't running wide open all the time.

To me a gimmick offense just means that it is a college offense that doesn’t translate to the pros. There have been several gimmick offenses in college football. The Run and Shoot, Air Raid, and even Spurriers Fun and Gun to an extent. All three of those offenses have concepts that have been utilized by the NFL and doesn’t have that stigma anymore.

NIL neutralizes some of the negative recruiting used against our offense but it will hinder us until we start putting good pros into the league, imo.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

that play call that resulted in the pick six still blows my mind at how idiotic it was. 9 seconds, no timeouts, absolutely no shot we’re running it and we comeout in jumbo package, with no wr’s. It was equally a bad throw as it was a call too

It was a bad call. It was not a well coached game. That happens some times. We can’t change it but I am sure Heupel won’t do it again.

 

[Smokey123]

To me a gimmick offense just means that it is a college offense that doesn’t translate to the pros. There have been several gimmick offenses in college football. The Run and Shoot, Air Raid, and even Spurriers Fun and Gun to an extent. All three of those offenses have concepts that have been utilized by the NFL and doesn’t have that stigma anymore.

NIL neutralizes some of the negative recruiting used against our offense but it will hinder us until we start putting good pros into the league, imo.

The NFL has always been behind CFB with offense innovation, it often starts at HS and works its way into the lower levels of cfb and up from there

 

[Ace]

We have lost to two good teams, but they are not teams that we had no chance of winning against. The playoffs are a long shot, but there is still a lot of football to be played. Win out and we are 10-2 for the second straight year. This was suppose to be a 8-4 or 9-3 year.
Can’t let this Saturday’s loss turn into more losses.

 

[Sandman Vol]

fake handoff, roll left pass to TE

I don’t particularly like that either, long developing play where qb ends up throwing against the grain.

But even a quick roll out and likely throw away would have been better.

Joey didn’t read the defense well at all. Maybe he skipped that process entirely. He said im throwing this ball to this guy and thats that, it’s going to work. Then he made a bad lazy throw and the rest is history.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I don’t particularly like that either, long developing play where qb ends up throwing against the grain.

But even a quick roll out and likely throw away would have been better.

Joey didn’t read the defense well at all. Maybe he skipped that process entirely. He said im throwing this ball to this guy and thats that, it’s going to work. Then he made a bad lazy throw and the rest is history.

I'll die on this hill, Georgia's backers and secondary arent as good as Bama's, this year.

I'm not making excuses. Joey made a bad play. But he's played a lot of football. That was prob most talented team he's faced.

It was a helluva play by defender.

Further you could tell the team played out of sync. Really that was the biggest environment many had played on. Bama had come off three of these type games in a row, and this was their house.

People saying Kentucky is going to beat us, and the money is here, and all that. C'mon.

Alabama is a playoff team, they are extremely talented, and we lost to them at home. Honestly, I argue we come out of this game better off. Teams sometimes need to feel heartburn.

Rick goes out of his way to schedule OSU, Michigan, and Duke, baptism by fire.

 

[MemphisVol3]

Indiana Coach Cignetti says in his press conference “Look, you can’t be a real nice guy with a job like mine” “My job is to make sure they have the right mindset ready to play”

I would not be surprised if they beat OSU in the big ten championship game. I’m actually rooting for them to.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

We have lost to two good teams, but they are not teams that we had no chance of winning against. The playoffs are a long shot, but there is still a lot of football to be played. Win out and we are 10-2 for the second straight year. This was suppose to be a 8-4 or 9-3 year.
Can’t let this Saturday’s loss turn into more losses.

It was suppose to be another big year. We have a bottom tier SEC schedule. If we win 8, we will have beaten absolutely no one. 9-10 was always the goal and should be the standard for this year with the schedule. Next year is a different story. That is a gauntlet.

 

[Jack Burton]

I don’t particularly like that either, long developing play where qb ends up throwing against the grain.

But even a quick roll out and likely throw away would have been better.

Joey didn’t read the defense well at all. Maybe he skipped that process entirely. He said im throwing this ball to this guy and thats that, it’s going to work. Then he made a bad lazy throw and the rest is history.

Maybe you can take a safety in the 1st half and still win or maybe you can throw a pick 6 and still win, but doing both in the 1st half is pretty devastating and hard to recover. Just put us in too much of a hole.

 

[UTSuave’]

 

[jordan4vols]

A lot of people seem to forget the 10 years before him or what he came in to. A chance at 10-2? I’ll enjoy every minute of it.

 

[Sandman Vol]

We know the truth but everyone gets upset when it’s discussed. The scouts are right. Our players are system players. The system makes qbs, receivers, rbs, TEs and OL better than they actually are. It is a great college system but we need someone to succeed in the NFL.

Myth. It can be true that the system makes players better performers in college and players are prepared as they could be for the league.

They are what they are. The system isn’t responsible for Hyatt being 180 lbs soaking wet.

The system isn’t at fault for a 3star level athlete not being an elite natural athlete.

Tillman would be starting if he could stay healthy. Wright is one of the best young players in the league. Sampson probably should be starting for browns. Hooker doesn’t have an NFL arm, system wasn’t going to change that. Milton doesn’t have an NFL brain, no system wasn’t going to change that.

Players can learn new systems. Heupels system actually doesn’t have much of an impact on how good of an nfl player a kid will be. The biggest claim against the system is that WRs don’t fine tune their technique in route running well enough because the routes run are less and based on drawing the player into an opening instead of the predetermined route creating the opening. All that can be taught and has to do with the players ability to be disciplined and master a concept, and I would say heupels system doesn’t make them any less able to do so.

 

[MarcoVol]

An account called rockytoprecruiting calls out the HC on social media.

Stupid azz fanbase.

 

[knoxvol52]

Myth. It can be true that the system makes players better performers in college and players are prepared as they could be for the league.

They are what they are. The system isn’t responsible for Hyatt being 180 lbs soaking wet.

The system isn’t at fault for a 3star level athlete not being an elite natural athlete.

Tillman would be starting if he could stay healthy. Wright is one of the best young players in the league. Sampson probably should be starting for browns. Hooker doesn’t have an NFL arm, system wasn’t going to change that. Milton doesn’t have an NFL brain, no system wasn’t going to change that.

Players can learn new systems. Heupels system actually doesn’t have much of an impact on how good of an nfl player a kid will be. The biggest claim against the system is that WRs don’t fine tune their technique in route running well enough because the routes run are less and based on drawing the player into an opening instead of the predetermined route creating the opening. All that can be taught and has to do with the players ability to be disciplined and master a concept, and I would say heupels system doesn’t make them any less able to do so.

Here's a hot Take for you... Under CJH the defense will put more stars in NFL than the offense....

 

[Jackcrevol]

Good god, i'm with some of you all. This bs about Huepel's coaching, is pissing me off.

We are the 2nd youngest team in SEC, our QB up and left us. He's put us in a position to be relevant. Many has written us off.

I'm not saying dont be competitive, I'm not even saying change your expectations. I'm saying we have a great Coach, who does things right way. We have an aces recruiting class, and just signed Adidas. Porthole will be live in Dec.

Every clown with a social media account needs to stand the **** down.

And trust me, I carried Bank's water for years. I farred him five times in that game.

 

[Jackcrevol]

@Bassmaster_Vol do you and @stevefromLexington submit questions to the VQ podcast via email, or via twitter?

 

[Jimmy Football]

1. Not all of this is false. I agree that, at some point soon, Heup is going to have to demand more out of his assistants or make some tough decisions. Also, Heup has got to re-adjust his approach to match his current squad. This isn’t a “lean on the defense” team the way it has been the last two years.

2. However. here is the list of “championship” head coaches currently employed in college jobs:
- Kirby Smart
- Ryan Day
- Dabo Swinney

That’s the list. Everyone else is in the same boat as Heup, including the guy we just lost to. Bama fans said this same stuff about DeBoer when they looked like absolute garbage against, what has turned out to be, a pretty bad FSU squad. Now they’re a national title favorite.

This is the new reality of college football. Sometimes you’re gonna look bad because rosters are thinner, rosters are closer in talent level across the league, and it’s hard to play A-level games week-in and week-out. And I think it’s going to be the case, going forward, that “championship teams” grow throughout the season and get hot at the right time, instead of dominating from start to finish, the way it used to be.

 

[SmyrnaATLVolisback]

A lot of people seem to forget the 10 years before him or what he came in to. A chance at 10-2? I’ll enjoy every minute of it.

Truth is Heupel is our best coach since Kiffen or Fulmer. No debate. He is way better than the rest. Second truth, NIL has helped our football program immensely along with other sports. It’s up to the coaches to utilize NIL and the vast resources DW gives them to win a championship. Big part of our success in football and other sports that is not talked about is Danny White. He wants winners and gives coaches whatever they want and need to win. If they don’t, that is on them.

 

[Jackcrevol]

1. Not all of this is false. I agree that, at some point soon, Heup is going to have to demand more out of his assistants or make some tough decisions. Also, Heup has got to re-adjust his approach to match his current squad. This isn’t a “lean on the defense” team the way it has been the last two years.

2. However. here is the list of “championship” head coaches currently employed in college jobs:
- Kirby Smart
- Ryan Day
- Dabo Swinney

That’s the list. Everyone else is in the same boat as Heup, including the guy we just lost to. Bama fans said this same stuff about DeBoer when they looked like absolute garbage against, what has turned out to be, a pretty bad FSU squad. Now they’re a national title favorite.

This is the new reality of college football. Sometimes you’re gonna look bad because rosters are thinner, rosters are closer in talent level across the league, and it’s hard to play A-level games week-in and week-out. And I think it’s going to be the case, going forward, that “championship teams” grow throughout the season and get hot at the right time, instead of dominating from start to finish, the way it used to be.

Should that be discussed in middle of the season? We just lost, on the road to a playoff team. Was it pretty? No.

It aint like we lost to Kentucky, Missouri, or Candy.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Jeez, nothing like starting monday morning blind from a migraine aura. I hate aladambama.

 

[UTSuave’]

@volbeast33 @pismonque @knoxvol52

 

[Jimmy Football]

Should that be discussed in middle of the season? We just lost, on the road to a playoff team. Was it pretty? No.

It aint like we lost to Kentucky, Missouri, or Candy.

Definitely an offseason discussion, regarding assistants. Changing back to the 2022 “attack, attack, always attack” approach for this specific team is a now discussion.

My biggest point though is that I watch really good coaches, even Kirby, do dumb stuff every weekend. Sometimes inexplicable stuff. Concluding that Heup isn’t a “championship coach” because he makes some bad calls or sometimes the team looks bad is just shortsighted stupidity, IMO.

 

[knoxvol52]

@volbeast33 @pismonque @knoxvol52

Correct. Teams have every opportunity to pay these players but just refuse to..

 

[volbeast33]

Myth. It can be true that the system makes players better performers in college and players are prepared as they could be for the league.

They are what they are. The system isn’t responsible for Hyatt being 180 lbs soaking wet.

The system isn’t at fault for a 3star level athlete not being an elite natural athlete.

Tillman would be starting if he could stay healthy. Wright is one of the best young players in the league. Sampson probably should be starting for browns. Hooker doesn’t have an NFL arm, system wasn’t going to change that. Milton doesn’t have an NFL brain, no system wasn’t going to change that.

Players can learn new systems. Heupels system actually doesn’t have much of an impact on how good of an nfl player a kid will be. The biggest claim against the system is that WRs don’t fine tune their technique in route running well enough because the routes run are less and based on drawing the player into an opening instead of the predetermined route creating the opening. All that can be taught and has to do with the players ability to be disciplined and master a concept, and I would say heupels system doesn’t make them any less able to do so.

Tillman is the closest thing to an average player that we have on the offensive side right now. Wright has been a healthy scratch with the Dolphins. Sampson has been getting playing time but looks worse than Judkins in games and it hasn’t been close so far.

Here are the complaints against our guys:

WRs have a limited route tree and aren’t really beating coverage as much as they are schemed open.

RBs run against a lite box and we don’t have an intricate rushing attack.

QBs rely heavily on pre snap reads and don’t have many difficult throws.

I love our offense but it will continue to be used against us on the trail until we starting putting a few elite guys in the league.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Should that be discussed in middle of the season? We just lost, on the road to a playoff team. Was it pretty? No.

It aint like we lost to Kentucky, Missouri, or Candy.

UT Lost to the two teams that people said they had no chance to beat before the season began and

UT had Georgia beat and missed the FG

Alabama had the one play put game out of reach.

So why melt down when it was expected. Sad we had a chance but for those melting down they were the same ones saying we would not even have a chance in those games So I really aren’t worried about their meltdowns.