is it still acceptable to say "look what heupel inherited"

[UTFranklinVol]

one of the favorite volnation excuses when evaluating the current coach is the ole "look what he inherited" and while it's true that heupel inherited a mess just like every coach in the country to comes into a situation where the previous coach was fired, but it is now the middle of year 5.

none of the players heupel inherited are still playing for this team.

he's had multiple recruiting cycles to bring in top rated players

he won 10 games in his second season so clearly it's not a real excuse for lack of success.

scholarship limits were increased by 20 so any limitations placed on UT due to sanctions (which were actually incredibly small limitations to begin with) are basically a non issue anymore.

so should this excuse be tolerated on this message board again? should people who use this excuse be reported and banned from this place?

 

[Butch s]

2-3 years. Not 5th. Settling for mediocrity

 

[VolCalls]

I seem to remember Saban walking into a mess in 2007 and he won a national title in year three.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

I still think Heupel could be our guy. IF he makes some changes at end of season. We have a minimum of 2 coaches that need shown the door.

 

[Behr]

2-3 years. Not 5th. Settling for mediocrity

So obviously you think Heupel should be fired.

 

[#1fulmerite]

All one has to do is question other programs and coaches in similar situations.

CLK at USC.

Shula at Bama.

Tubberville at Ole Miss. (kinda not the best example)

The guy at Ole Miss before CLK

I’m sure there are more examples. How would those programs fared had those coaches been kept.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

No Heuple has his own coaches and players now. Its his baby.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I seem to remember Saban walking into a mess in 2007 and he won a national title in year three.

Comparing Heupel to the greatest coach in the history of the sport. Typical trash post.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

2-3 years. Not 5th. Settling for mediocrity

How are we mediocre?

 

[Voltopia]

"People should be reported and banned for saying things I don't agree with." Guess that's where we are now.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

So obviously you think Heupel should be fired.

Today? No. If he doesnt get off his ass and make some changes to put us in that next tier of elite teams, then DW needs to have a serious conversation with his employee!

 

[JMSqb11]

People were willing to give Heupel 5 years and that was fair.

What people didn’t expect was an expedited process where Heupel elevated the program on a nuclear pace with the 2022 season.

It’s been 3 years since the 2022 season and all we have to show for it is an expanded playoff appearance and a 2-6 record vs Georgia, Bama, and Florida.

All these people crying “look where we were 5 years ago” aren’t educated. Heupel deserves all the credit for how quickly this program got turned around and elevated. He also deserves criticism for the current feeling of plateauing.

 

[Butch s]

So obviously you think Heupel should be fired.

Not necessarily Heupel, but some of his coaches, namely banks and Martinez for starters. If he wont do that, for the betterment of the team, then yes time for him to go also

 

[DooleyOrangePants]

I still think Heupel could be our guy. IF he makes some changes at end of season. We have a minimum of 2 coaches that need shown the door.

I think that’s the biggest takeaway and one of the biggest issues with Heupel - his refusal to make staff changes due to misplaced or undue loyalty. I’ve long said that this issue alone had the potential to be his undoing. His in game deficiencies can be corrected, but the stubbornness about the people he surrounds himself is by far his biggest issue.

 

[Butch s]

How are we mediocre?

10th ranked team in sec standings. So if you figure 16 teams, and you are proficient at math, that’s below average

 

[General Jack]

The regression in our defense can't be explained away. We are back to playing at year 1 and 2 levels despite being in year 5 and supposedly being talented.

 

[Behr]

Today? No. If he doesnt get off his ass and make some changes to put us in that next tier of elite teams, then DW needs to have a serious conversation with his employee!

You're pretty consistent on negativity, Im not talking to you. I was talking to others that talk out of both sides of their mouth. I was trying to find out if he was one of those.

People in this very thread say they're not calling for his firing.

Then in another thread they say he has reached his ceiling and he will only win 8-9 games a year and occasionally 10 but will never win an NC or the SEC.

Then in another, or maybe the same thread they tell others that they're settling for mediocrity.

I think they're just fos.

 

[JMSqb11]

The regression in our defense can't be explained away. We are back to playing at year 1 and 2 levels despite being in year 5 and supposedly being talented.

I think it can. We lost guys to the draft and the portal because we wanted to nickel and dime and we had injuries.

Our defensive line is deep and has been solid. The McCoy and Gipson injuries have exposed youth. Those guys could allow the pass rush to make plays because they could buy them time with their coverage ability.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

People were willing to give Heupel 5 years and that was fair.

What people didn’t expect was an expedited process where Heupel elevated the program on a nuclear pace with the 2022 season.

It’s been 3 years since the 2022 season and all we have to show for it is an expanded playoff appearance and a 2-6 record vs Georgia, Bama, and Florida.

All these people crying “look where we were 5 years ago” aren’t educated. Heupel deserves all the credit for how quickly this program got turned around and elevated. He also deserves criticism for the current feeling of plateauing.

this is pretty much my feeling exactly

 

[Rickyvol77]

one of the favorite volnation excuses when evaluating the current coach is the ole "look what he inherited" and while it's true that heupel inherited a mess just like every coach in the country to comes into a situation where the previous coach was fired, but it is now the middle of year 5.

none of the players heupel inherited are still playing for this team.

he's had multiple recruiting cycles to bring in top rated players

he won 10 games in his second season so clearly it's not a real excuse for lack of success.

scholarship limits were increased by 20 so any limitations placed on UT due to sanctions (which were actually incredibly small limitations to begin with) are basically a non issue anymore.

so should this excuse be tolerated on this message board again? should people who use this excuse be reported and banned from this place?

The question again is what does "success" look like here currently...

 

[Rickyvol77]

You're pretty consistent on negativity, Im not talking to you. I was talking to others that talk out of both sides of their mouth. I was trying to find out if he was one of those.

People in this very thread say they're not calling for his firing.

Then in another thread they say he has reached his ceiling and he will only win 8-9 games a year and occasionally 10 but will never win an NC or the SEC.

Then in another, or maybe the same thread they tell others that they're settling for mediocrity.

I think they're just fos.

It's the same 5 posters too..every thread...

 

[Butch s]

You're pretty consistent on negativity, Im not talking to you. I was talking to others that talk out of both sides of their mouth. I was trying to find out if he was one of those.

People in this very thread say they're not calling for his firing.

Then in another thread they say he has reached his ceiling and he will only win 8-9 games a year and occasionally 10 but will never win an NC or the SEC.

Then in another, or maybe the same thread they tell others that they're settling for mediocrity.

I think they're just fos.

Shocking, I think you’re just swell

 

[UTFranklinVol]

The question again is what does "success" look like here currently...

exactly. IMO success is not an end goal it's a process. you have to be noticably better every year. not winning a title but better than the previous year, which if you stick to that goal you will inevitably win a title.

heupel has done so much but he still has failed to do the things that make you go from good to elite. here are those things in exact order:

1. Win really big road games. And for clarification, at the University of Tennessee really big road games are as follows: Bama, Georgia, Florida
2. Appear in the SECCG
3. Make it to and win a CFP game
4. Overtake Bama and Georgia as the elite program of the SEC. it's disgusting that sh!tty programs like Ole Miss and TAMU are putting more pressure on Georgia and Bama that UT is, it's just gross and a very bad look.

Heupel has done everything else but he absolutely cannot stop there. he has to continue to get better and we can no longer use the excuse that he is at a disadvantage to other SEC programs.

 

[Behr]

Shocking, I think you’re just swell

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

one of the favorite volnation excuses when evaluating the current coach is the ole "look what he inherited" and while it's true that heupel inherited a mess just like every coach in the country to comes into a situation where the previous coach was fired, but it is now the middle of year 5.

none of the players heupel inherited are still playing for this team.

he's had multiple recruiting cycles to bring in top rated players

he won 10 games in his second season so clearly it's not a real excuse for lack of success.

scholarship limits were increased by 20 so any limitations placed on UT due to sanctions (which were actually incredibly small limitations to begin with) are basically a non issue anymore.

so should this excuse be tolerated on this message board again? should people who use this excuse be reported and banned from this place?

No. Anyone who uses that phrase or talks about scholarship restrictions should be permanently banned imo.