This game magnifies Heupel’s deficiencies

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#128
Mccage said:
One yard line and we been running it down their throat and theres no threat? I underestimated you!
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Yeah there is no threat there, as you can tell by the fact that not one player bit on the fake.

Let me make something very clear, if you are honestly trying to argue that there was a threat to run there, you are dumb as **** and deserve to have the **** slapped out of you.
 
#129
#129
Mccage said:
One yard line and we been running it down their throat and theres no threat? I underestimated you!
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Yes, there was zero chance of a run. If you get stopped, the half runs out. Everyone on earth knew it was going to be a pass, that’s why the formation was so stupid.
 
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#130
C-south said:
You have to make what twice? If you don’t convert you’re down 9 or 10. That’s a td and a fg either way.
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The point was about points chasing after the TD in the 3rd quarter. We pulled within 23-13. At that point it's 12 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. There is a lot of game left to go. Say we get the two point conversion then we're down 8. At some point you have to do it again. It was too early to be thinking of this perfect scenario. Hence we were chasing points to early that may not have had an impact later because too many variables still existed.
 
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#131
C-south said:
Because every time we get 7 yards and hurry we rush to the line and get a 5 yard penalty. We may as well huddle with a snap count at this point if they can’t do simple things right.
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There’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying but I’ve seen it work a whole lot this year too. We went into this game as the highest scoring team in the country and that includes a lot of “calling off the dogs” second halves.

We played like crap yesterday. We’re better than that and I think we’ll see this as we proceed through the rest of the season. We’re not a playoff team but we’re pretty good
 
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#132
C-south said:
How was it a momentum killer? You get it you’re down one possession. You kick the extra point you’re down a td and a fg. You don’t convert on the two you’re down a td and a fg. Doing that early is why it made sense.
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Because you just soured a positive drive by ending it on a negative play and gave some momentum back to your opponent that you didnt have to give. Don't you understand momentum and the psychological aspect of the game? You take the risks when you HAVE to, not because you're impatient and thats what modern "Millennial" coaching looks like to me. A game of impatience and an unwillingness to let the game come to you. Its UNSOUND football. I dont know why suddenly modern coaches think they somehow know better than coaching philosophies that have been tried and true for decades!

I feel the exact same way about all these damn 4th down conversion attempts. Now our coach isnt the worst at this, in fact I think we lead the country in the least 4th down attempts. But going for it on 4th down, in your own territory, instead of punting and flipping the field, makes me want to punch somebody!
 
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#133
Brave Volunteer said:
Because you just soured a positive drive by ending it on a negative play and gave some momentum back to your opponent that you didnt have to give. Don't you understand momentum and the psychological aspect of the game? You take the risks when you HAVE to, not because you're impatient and thats what modern "Millennial" coaching looks like to me. A game of impatience and an unwillingness to let the game come to you.
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Lol. Momentum and “psychological” effect? Cmon dude. There was a lot more going on to kill momentum than not converting a two point conversion. I can think of multiple right off hand.
 
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#134
We played flat and scared. That's on the coaches. Two 90+ yard drives in the first/second QTRS killed the defense ball game over. Not taking the 3pts at the end of the half was awful. Again, clock mgt is a thorn.
 
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C-south said:
Lol. Momentum and “psychological” effect? Cmon dude. There was a lot more going on to kill momentum than not converting a two point conversion. I can think of multiple right off hand.
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Not at that point there wasnt. We came out of halftime, stopped their offense, got the ball back and scored! At that point we HAD momentum back! Trying a 2 point conversion there was pointless and instead of kicking the xp, we throw an interception in the endzone, giving momentum right back to them. Again, you dont chase points that early on the game! Take your XP, say thank you, and carry your momentum back on defense for the next series!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Not at that point there wasnt. We came out of halftime, stopped their offense, got the ball back and scored! At that point we HAD momentum! Trying a 2 point conversion there was pointless and instead of kicking the xp, we throw an interception in the endzone, giving momentum right back to them. Again, you dont chase points that early on the game! Take your XP, say thank you, and carry your momentum back on defense for the next series!
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The safety. Multiple 3rd and 4th down conversions. Drops.
 
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#138
Brave Volunteer said:
Not at that point there wasnt. We came out of halftime, stopped their offense, got the ball back and scored! At that point we HAD momentum back! Trying a 2 point conversion there was pointless and instead of kicking the xp, we throw an interception in the endzone, giving momentum right back to them. Again, you dont chase points that early on the game! Take your XP, say thank you, and carry your momentum back on defense for the next series!
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I agree, the two point try was way too early and a mistake
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Not at that point there wasnt. We came out of halftime, stopped their offense, got the ball back and scored! At that point we HAD momentum back! Trying a 2 point conversion there was pointless and instead of kicking the xp, we throw an interception in the endzone, giving momentum right back to them. Again, you dont chase points that early on the game! Take your XP, say thank you, and carry your momentum back on defense for the next series!
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On the road in the second half, you make that choice every time. You have a chance to make that one possession. 10 to 9 still makes it two possession game. And if you want to talk “momentum” how about if we get that the effects that has on Bama coming out of the half thinking they’ve got this **** wrapped up and it’s one possession within 5 minutes.

The idea a 2 point conversion ruins momentum is dumb. We got a stop and the ball at midfield the next drive.
 
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#140
I like Heupel but I don't think he can deliver what many in the fanbase want. With that said, he has delivered what we needed when we needed it. He is so much better than the previous. My main issue is that his teams lack discipline and that does all come down to the demeanor of the HC. It all trickles down from there to everything.
 
#141
#141
2 out of 5 in red zone with all the misses coming from inside the 5. Bama was 4 for 4.

Never going to compete for anything like that. If you know your defense sucks and you have to rely on your offense that can’t happen.

Heup offense struggles to throw in the red zone - especially in situations where passing situations anre required. Alabama and Georgia don’t have any issues passing inside the 10. Until he fixes this part of this offense we are never going to win games on the road like this one. We probably won’t beat Fla either
 
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#142
gr82batnvol said:
I like Heupel but I don't think he can deliver what many in the fanbase want. With that said, he has delivered what we needed when we needed it. He is so much better than the previous. My main issue is that his teams lack discipline and that does all come down to the demeanor of the HC. It all trickles down from there to everything.
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Its year 5 and we arent Wake Forest. His "well he's better than what we had previously" equity is starting to run out with me. Coaches at major football programs are hired to do one thing, to win conference and national championships! Not to simply win more than they lose and meander year after year. At this point, this staff is not doing the things needed to get us there.
 
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gr82batnvol said:
I like Heupel but I don't think he can deliver what many in the fanbase want. With that said, he has delivered what we needed when we needed it. He is so much better than the previous. My main issue is that his teams lack discipline and that does all come down to the demeanor of the HC. It all trickles down from there to everything.
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Hopefully guys like boo hit the portal asap. Dude plays like he doesn’t want to be there. Just half assed effort. He can take Redmond with him.
 
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#146
C-south said:
What are you seeing that I’m missing?
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I'm not trying to win an argument over a negative. Boo is a true sophomore. Redmond is a true freshman. I don't think your the talent evaluator. There are a bunch of guys not making plays at critical times. Both players have also made several plays.
 
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#148
cgrish said:
We wasted at least 20 second on the clock during this series of play. I was watching the game with friends and we were yelling get the play off or call time out
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The problem with 4121’s thinking on this is not taking the rules into consideration in their clock management, which I don’t think anyone has raised. By running the play instead of calling timeout, if the offense would have had a false start there in trying to hurry up or had a holding penalty, there would have been a 10 second runoff and the half would have ended with Heup having his fingers up his butthole. And that certainly would have been a better outcome than what happened (since it was more like they had their entire heads up their own ass), but none of it is good and it’s all because of bad decision making and clock management.
 
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#149
Brave Volunteer said:
Its year 5 and we arent Wake Forest. His "well he's better than what we had previously" equity is starting to run out with me. Coaches at major football programs are hired to do one thing, to win conference and national championships! Not to simply win more than they lose and meander year after year. At this point, this staff is not doing the things needed to get us there.
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Well said...It's year 5, folks need to let go of 6....8...10 years ago. Heupel makes 9 million per year and is 100 percent responsible for every player and coach on the team. The buck stops with him.

The better than what we had is like me saying my bruised toe is better than my broken back.
 
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#150
BreatheUT said:
I'm not trying to win an argument over a negative. Boo is a true sophomore. Redmond is a true freshman. I don't think your the talent evaluator. There are a bunch of guys not making plays at critical times. Both players have also made several plays.
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Nobody believes this or buys the excuses. I haven’t seen Redmond make a play all year. Boo doesn’t do anything either or seem to make a lot of effort in the process.
 
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