This game magnifies Heupel’s deficiencies

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Matt2496 said:
All I hope is that the season doesn't go off the rails after this. Kentucky, Florida, Oklahoma, and Vandy are all potential losses now.
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They were potential losses before this game. Team has warts and bad coaching at times. It was always going to be a 8 or 9 win team and id bet the lower number at this point..
 
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rocketskates said:
What about coming out in a formation, the defense calls a timeout to address said formation and you come back out in the SAME formation, the corner reads the play like a children's book and takes it the opposite way. Probably the most frustrating part of the game.
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THIS! Came out in exact same formation! So dumb.
 
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Ned Ray McWorkher said:
The deficiency is in the roster. Turpentine and Telander can't be the starters on a championship level defensive team. We need athletes. High level talent to really complement the defensive line. We aren't good enough.

Right before half, Aguilar should have thrown the ball away and let us kick at a field goal. Ultimately blame the head coach but also understand what went on.
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Spillman,Perlotte and Carter need to be out there most of the time. Get Spillman and Perlotte the experience, they have the talent.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is no reason to call play action when there is no threat of the run. There is especially no reason to call play action when the other team calls timeout to make sure everyone knows there is no threat of the run.

Penalties galore in every game. We drop more passes than anyone in the country. Heupel beats himself, and his teams beat themselves. If he could get out of his own way, he could be very good. But this was unacceptable and inexcusable in year 5 against a beatable Bama team.
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Yes. Just an overall yes. TN beat themselves and Bama helped whenever errors were made. I don't mind losing .....and they were better, but to hand them 9+ points, yeah right. But. No excuse for the defensive performance...zero! Some aspects we just have to own.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
There is no reason to call play action when there is no threat of the run. There is especially no reason to call play action when the other team calls timeout to make sure everyone knows there is no threat of the run.

Penalties galore in every game. We drop more passes than anyone in the country. Heupel beats himself, and his teams beat themselves. If he could get out of his own way, he could be very good. But this was unacceptable and inexcusable in year 5 against a beatable Bama team.
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Not to mention that he develops major brain freezes in the waning minute of a half or end of game. I have never seen a coach mismanage clock time as bad as he has repeatedly. There is considerable talent on this team but they perform like green freshmen on the road. When Simpson threw a backward pass to his running back who was hemmed in with no place to go and no blocking, he weaved his way through all of them for 17 yds and a 1st down. The shoddiness of the tackling and constant shooting themselves in the foot was evident all game. The defense would get a gift for an unforced turnover and then the offense crapped the field and fell back in it.
 
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rdk4121 said:
That's literally two different things. What are you talking about. We had the ball where we wanted it. Time management was fine.
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I was yelling for a timeout before the 1st down play, but I don’t fault clock management in this one. It was just such a horrible call on the pick 6 that I really hope he was grilled on it in the postgame press conference.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Our last 4 quarterbacks are hired guns
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Not the point I was making. My point is that three of those four were basically castoffs because they either weren’t good enough to win the starting job or have much playing time. When I say hired guns, I am meaning players who are good and go to the highest bidder. Hope that clears my message up for you.
 
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rocketskates said:
What about coming out in a formation, the defense calls a timeout to address said formation and you come back out in the SAME formation, the corner reads the play like a children's book and takes it the opposite way. Probably the most frustrating part of the game.
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We consistently have players that can’t get into formation. The LB is talking to the DB and the D-Tackle is watching them try to figure it out bc he can’t figure it out ALL AS THE BALL IS BEING SNAPPED. All while we give their receivers a 9 yard cushion on 3rd down.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Not the point I was making. My point is that three of those four were basically castoffs because they either weren’t good enough to win the starting job or have much playing time. When I say hired guns, I am meaning players who are good and go to the highest bidder. Hope that clears my message up for you.
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I agree with you a lot when Fulmer is brought up, but respectfully, this take you have is something I can’t wrap my head around.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I agree with you a lot when Fulmer is brought up, but respectfully, this take you have is something I can’t wrap my head around.
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Virtually no one wanted three of our last four QB’s. Michigan didn’t think Joe was good and casted him off. Virginia Tech didn’t think Hendon was good and casted him off. UCLA thought Nico was better than Joey and casted him off.

All three of them landed here and CJH and his scheme made them look better at playing the QB position than they did at the schools they came from.

Nico was paid to come here straight from high school. He or his father wanted him to be a hired gun and shopped him around. It’s just that no other coach thought he was good.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Virtually no one wanted three of our last four QB’s. Michigan didn’t think Joe was good and casted him off. Virginia Tech didn’t think Hendon was good and casted him off. UCLA thought Nico was better than Joey and casted him off.

All three of them landed here and CJH and his scheme made them look better at playing the QB position than they did at the schools they came from.

Nico was paid to come here straight from high school. He or his father wanted him to be a hired gun and shopped him around. It’s just that no other coach thought he was good.
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They were all hired guns though. Not every hired gun is Alvin York.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Teams are a direct reflection of their head coach. If a team consistently plays soft and carelessly, to include stupid penalties, turnovers, and a lot of other recurring issues, well, questions need to be asked.
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We are simply out of shape on our defensive line. Sucking air. Hands on the hips. He is too soft on them. We played men tonight.
 
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rdk4121 said:
There was nothing wrong with the clock management there. We have 2nd and goal from the 1 yard line with 9 seconds left. You could in theory run 2 plays in that amount of time. Bad play call imo, but that's a different issue.
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If we were really serious about getting 7, you pass (maybe even play action pass) on 1st so you have the option to pass or run (with timeout available) on 2nd down. When we ran on 1st, we had 2 choices on 2nd down. Spread the field and throw into the end zone (risking a sack) or run it with chance of getting stuffed. The book is out of Heupel and everyone knows he would never risk the clock running out on a stuffed run. The defense knew it was a pass but he had one guy out vs a zone defender looking at the QB.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Our defense and DC are pure trash. Has nothing to to with the offensive side of the ball. Defense screwed us all night, again.
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Bama has been lighting up better defenses than us. Those 90+ yards are killers. But 28 offensive points allowed at Alabama does not equal “trash.” Simpson is the leader in the Heisman race. The larger problem is that Heupel’s offense is mistake prone and couldn’t match that. And he’s obviously not going to fire himself.
 
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Tnphil said:
As it wound up...if we had kicked the FG before half we would have been tied 23-23 with Bama in the middle of the 2nd half.....And why do we go for it on 4th and 19 when we need a FG to get it under 3 scores?!! There was so many coaching blunders in this game...Just awful.
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And why in hell were we going for two in that spot so early in the second half instead of kicking the xp to make it 23-14? STOP CHASING POINTS! Let the game come to you and take what the other team gives you! I swear to God, modern coaching decisions frustrate me sometimes! You are needlessly killing your own momentum by taking these risks that are unnecessary!
 
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