Too much ice

[norrislakevol]

What about the 530k legal immigrants who Trump DQ'd this year?

I haven't lost sleep over it.

 

[whodeycin85]

Like I said I don't know all the specifics of her situation or her immigration status. I know she has an attorney "working on some things". I also don't trust the immigration system to not be a complete chitshow for people trying to do the right thing because usually government run systems are. The question is, are we taking people that have immigration cases that are currently in process and just rounding them up to meet a quota? I have mixed feelings about all of it and I'm no immigration attorney.

Completely understandable..when it personal or close it get confusing..I know several immigrants who are legally here and are friends and neighbors....they have all said while the process is a bunch of bureaucratic hoops that's it no different then any other form of government operations...if you want it bad enough you deal with it till your done...if not you live with your own choices..

 

[Orange_Crush]

Completely understandable..when it personal or close it get confusing..I know several immigrants who are legally here and are friends and neighbors....they have all said while the process is a bunch of bureaucratic hoops that's it no different then any other form of government operations...if you want it bad enough you deal with it till your done...if not you live with your own choices..

Anyone who wants to ***** about US gov't bureaucracy needs to blindfold themselves, throw a dart at Latin America, and go try to do just the simplest thing like open a bank account--much less go through the residency application process.

I hate to sound cold hearted, but any Latin immigrant that comes here and claims that US bureaucracy is a bridge too far for them to accomplish their goals... There's a huge chance that they are being disingenuous. Experiencing the US gov't after being in Latin America is like going to Ruth Chris' after eating nothing but Western Sizzler leftovers all your life.

 

[theFallGuy]

Completely understandable..when it personal or close it get confusing..I know several immigrants who are legally here and are friends and neighbors....they have all said while the process is a bunch of bureaucratic hoops that's it no different then any other form of government operations...if you want it bad enough you deal with it till your done...if not you live with your own choices..

You are certainly entitled to your opinions. I just think there is a better way to handle some cases. Anyone with records fine, adios, particularly violent. If you knowing cross without going through proper channels, fine adios. People with open immigration cases should not all be treated the same. Particularly when you are caring for a spouse dying of cancer, don't have a record, and entered legally under prior administrations and have an ID and work (which is this woman I'm referring to). And who knows maybe nothing happens to her and everything gets resolved. Awesome.

 

[whodeycin85]

You are certainly entitled to your opinions. I just think there is a better way to handle some cases. Anyone with records fine, adios, particularly violent. If you knowing cross without going through proper channels, fine adios. People with open immigration cases should not all be treated the same. Particularly when you are caring for a spouse dying of cancer, don't have a record, and entered legally under prior administrations and have an ID and work (which is this woman I'm referring to). And who knows maybe nothing happens to her and everything gets resolved. Awesome.

Hopefully she gets to become a citizen... Without know details of her crossing which you said was approved by the other admin...I guess it would depend on her reasoning...or recent asylum seeker that were allowed in but only because the previous admin violated asylum laws as most have crossed multiple countries for asylum..so if a fraud claim to try that when the real reason is just because your old country sux..bottom line is do it legally or accept the consequences.. hopefully she will get approved and remain legally, sounds like the type of immigrant we need.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You are certainly entitled to your opinions. I just think there is a better way to handle some cases. Anyone with records fine, adios, particularly violent. If you knowing cross without going through proper channels, fine adios. People with open immigration cases should not all be treated the same. Particularly when you are caring for a spouse dying of cancer, don't have a record, and entered legally under prior administrations and have an ID and work (which is this woman I'm referring to). And who knows maybe nothing happens to her and everything gets resolved. Awesome.

Can you help me understand the edge cases that you are referring to?

If they came here legally and are current/legal in their current immigration process, why would they be forcefully deported? I don't think that is the same as someone who came legally, overstayed their visa and dropped out of their immigration process, and have been living illegally on the fringes.

 

[n_huffhines]

Sanctuary Illinois: ICE Arrests Illegal Alien Working as Cop with Badge, Gun, and Pension​

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The Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has arrested an illegal alien employed as a police officer, with a badge, gun, and pension, in Hanover Park, Illinois.

This week, ICE agents arrested illegal alien Radule Bojovic of Montenegro as part of Operation Midway Blitz, which has netted nearly 1,000 arrests in the sanctuary state of Illinois thus far.

According to ICE, Bojovic first arrived in the United States on a B-2 tourist visa. He was required to depart by the end of March in 2015, but failed to do so and has lived illegally in the U.S. since.

Bojovic was able to become a police officer in Hanover Park, a suburb of the sanctuary city of Chicago, Illinois.

In January of this year, Bojovic was approved by the Pension Board of Trustees and his starting salary as a police officer was about $79,000 a year. ICE officials said Bojovic’s earnings this year cost American taxpayers more than $205,000, including more than $9,200 in FICA and Medicare taxes.

Illinois: ICE Arrests Illegal Alien Working as Cop with Badge, Gun, and Pension

ICE has arrested an illegal alien employed as a police officer, with a badge, gun, and pension, in Hanover Park, Illinois.

www.breitbart.com

Oh no! The taxpayers paid him to do police work? What a waste of funds. The streets are safer after deporting (checks notes) a cop.

 

[Orange_Crush]

MSN

Cartel bounties on ICE agents...

 

[C-south]

Oh no! The taxpayers paid him to do police work? What a waste of funds. The streets are safer after deporting (checks notes) a cop.

Criminals “enforcing”’law. Only makes sense to you loonies.

 

[Orange_Crush]

We're not discussing actions against cartels though. There's not much chance than any of the ICE targets which are the subject of the discussion will track down their AO and hit their house with an RPG.

Any denial on your part will be by definition personal incredulity.

Cartels issuing bounties up to $50,000 for hits on ICE, CBP agents: DHS

Drug cartels have "disseminated a structured bounty program to incentivize violence against federal personnel," according to a press release from DHS.

abcnews.go.com

You've seen the same video we all have here, ICE shoves women hard to concrete, ICE gasses and attacks peaceful protesters, Ice hits peaceful protester with LTL projectile (one instance) or have you not?

Here's one of many. Little boys must have felt threatened by the lady.

We don't know the surrounding context there. The formation appears to be people-clearing after crowd dispersant orders have been given by law enforcement--likely at a time and place that it had become violent and/or the crowd was preventing ICE from performing their official duties. So, it looks exactly like they were clearing a crowd, the agents walked past the lady, and she stood in and grabbed an agent.

You. Just. Don't. Do. That.

You're unaware of Rumeysa OztUrk who was detained for writing an op-ed which displeased Li'l Marco's handlers? Of Mahmoud Khalil and Mohsen Madawi? The bad actors are ICE.

Not particularly OztUrk or Madawi. It didn't take long to see that ICE were doing their job after the administration revoked her VISA.

Why was Tufts student Rumeysa Ozturk detained by ICE? Here's what we know

Secretary of State Marco Rubio suggested Tufts PhD student Rumeysa Ozturk's visa was revoked over her pro-Palestinian activism — though he gave no evidence it was anything more than an op-ed in the Tufts student newspaper.

www.wbur.org

• In Rubio's words: "If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us that the reason why you're coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus — we're not going to give you a visa," he said, adding "that sort of activity" would also be enough to revoke existing visas. (While Tufts was one of many colleges across the country where pro-Palestinian protesters staged encampments last spring, Rubio provided no specifics about Ozturk's involvement.)

Yes. We've discussed Khalil in detail and I spent a great deal of time looking into that. Looks like he was the self-described spokesperson for a group that openly supports and recruits for a foreign terror organization, etc... I suspect the other examples are similar if we look into them.

But again... That's not an ICE complaint. Your complaint is with the admin. ICE's job is to deport. That's what they are doing.

You've seen the complaints though. Students Document Reports of Abuse at Immigration Detention Center

I've read complaints that Trump likes hooker piss as well. One huge problem we have right now is the hyper-politicization of media where we have trouble knowing whom to believe. But nonetheless, your "proof" here seems to be that some law students spoke to inmates over the phone and published accounts as truth/proof.

The complaint against the South Louisiana ICE Processing Center is based on fact-finding by the Yale Civil Rights Project, a student-run organization that offers Yale Law School students in their first semester a chance to work with civil rights and social justice organizations...

Students started working on the complaint in October, just weeks after starting law school. They conducted more than a dozen telephone interviews with the women detained at the center, commonly known as Basile...

“The women we spoke to shared deeply unsettling accounts of systemic abuse and neglect that violated their human rights, harmed their mental and physical health, and stripped them of their civil rights and dignity,” said Trinh Truong ’27, one of the students who worked on the project. “Their stories underscored the urgent need for accountability and meaningful change in the immigration detention system, and I am grateful for the opportunity to help amplify their voices."

The publishers are self-described social justice (warriors). Pardon me for carrying a bit of skepticism. And again... Your "proof" here is just claims by detainees, reported by people whose sole knowledge on the subject appears to have been hearing the claims on the phone.

 

[EasternVol]

Criminals “enforcing”’law. Only makes sense to you loonies.

I don't know if you've ever paid attention, but there are plenty of criminals in law enforcement.

 

[C-south]

I don't know if you've ever paid attention, but there are plenty of criminals in law enforcement.

Lol. I love that ridiculous “reasoning” to try and justify illegals invading the US. “Americans do it too so it’s ok.” The difference is THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE.

 

[EasternVol]

Any denial on your part will be by definition personal incredulity.

Cartels issuing bounties up to $50,000 for hits on ICE, CBP agents: DHS

Drug cartels have "disseminated a structured bounty program to incentivize violence against federal personnel," according to a press release from DHS.

abcnews.go.com

Is that about ICE disrupting cartel operations or about deporting illegals? Either way though the cartels will know who's ICE and where they live. Masking up doesn't protect them from the cartels. It's just to intimidate civilians, who still aren't going to track down their AO and destroy his house.

We don't know the surrounding context there. The formation appears to be people-clearing after crowd dispersant orders have been given by law enforcement--likely at a time and place that it had become violent and/or the crowd was preventing ICE from performing their official duties. So, it looks exactly like they were clearing a crowd, the agents walked past the lady, and she stood in and grabbed an agent.

You. Just. Don't. Do. That.

'We don't know' is true. Nevertheless in several videos the crowd is peaceful and ICE is violent. It's doubtful that the exact area the protesters were standing was vital to ICE operations.
I thought he veered into her. Regardless, it shouldn't take more than one person to move her.

Not particularly OztUrk or Madawi. It didn't take long to see that ICE were doing their job after the administration revoked her VISA.

If you read my initial comment you'll see that my complaint is also about the chowderheads' bosses.

Yes. We've discussed Khalil in detail and I spent a great deal of time looking into that. Looks like he was the self-described spokesperson for a group that openly supports and recruits for a foreign terror organization, etc... I suspect the other examples are similar if we look into them.

What group is that?

But again... That's not an ICE complaint. Your complaint is with the admin. ICE's job is to deport. That's what they are doing.

See above.

I've read complaints that Trump likes hooker piss as well. One huge problem we have right now is the hyper-politicization of media where we have trouble knowing whom to believe. But nonetheless, your "proof" here seems to be that some law students spoke to inmates over the phone and published accounts as truth/proof.
The publishers are self-described social justice (warriors). Pardon me for carrying a bit of skepticism. And again... Your "proof" here is just claims by detainees, reported by people whose sole knowledge on the subject appears to have been hearing the claims on the phone.

Such complaints are pretty common and from different demographics. I doubt they're baseless.
What about the distance issue, e.g. sending someone from the Northeast to a detention center in Louisiana?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is that about ICE disrupting cartel operations or about deporting illegals? Either way though the cartels will know who's ICE and where they live. Masking up doesn't protect them from the cartels. It's just to intimidate civilians, who still aren't going to track down their AO and destroy his house.

'We don't know' is true. Nevertheless in several videos the crowd is peaceful and ICE is violent. It's doubtful that the exact area the protesters were standing was vital to ICE operations.
I thought he veered into her. Regardless, it shouldn't take more than one person to move her.

If you read my initial comment you'll see that my complaint is also about the chowderheads' bosses.

What group is that?

See above.

Such complaints are pretty common and from different demographics. I doubt they're baseless.
What about the distance issue, e.g. sending someone from the Northeast to a detention center in Louisiana?

If you want a blow-by-blow response, let me know. Otherwise...

Each of us is operating at our own level of incredulity, as you seem to be affirming. I'm not completely discounting your apprehensions. I just think it an irresponsible stretch to be bandying about ignorant accusations of "gestapo", especially at times when ICE agents are being targeted for assassination. One would think that level heads would want level heads. But you have every right to do you.

 

[EasternVol]

Lol. I love that ridiculous “reasoning” to try and justify illegals invading the US. “Americans do it too so it’s ok.” The difference is THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE.

It's not a justification of illegal immigration. If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed that I am not for that. My comment was in reply to your comment on criminals in law enforcement.

 

[EasternVol]

If you want a blow-by-blow response, let me know. Otherwise...

Each of us is operating at our own level of incredulity, as you seem to be affirming. I'm not completely discounting your apprehensions. I just think it an irresponsible stretch to be bandying about ignorant accusations of "gestapo", especially at times when ICE agents are being targeted for assassination. One would think that level heads would want level heads. But you have every right to do you.

Once again, 'Gestapo wannabes'. There's a difference there.
Some people's level heads are other people's Chicken Littles and vice versa. I don't think there's sufficient potential danger to justify hiding their identity.

 

[C-south]

It's not a justification of illegal immigration. If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed that I am not for that. My comment was in reply to your comment on criminals in law enforcement.

Except some of you are always quick to chime in that when an illegal commits a crime there’s always an actual American who have committed the same crimes. No s***. If that illegal hadn’t been here that’s one less murder, rape, etc that wouldn’t have happened….it doesn’t mean an actual citizen would have done it in their place.

 

[EasternVol]

Except some of you are always quick to chime in that when an illegal commits a crime there’s always an actual American who have committed the same crimes. No s***. If that illegal hadn’t been here that’s one less murder, rape, etc that wouldn’t have happened….it doesn’t mean an actual citizen would have done it in their place.

What's that got to do with criminals being LE?
Have I ever chimed in with that? And yes immigrants are more law abiding than native born. That doesn't mean I support illegal immigration. But we should be fair and humane.

 

[C-south]

What's that got to do with criminals being LE?
Have I ever chimed in with that?

Exactly. What did that have to do with anything?

 

[Go aeiou]

 

[EasternVol]

Exactly. What did that have to do with anything?

It's your post so you tell me.

 

[n_huffhines]

wHaT fAsCiSm?

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Leo Martinez, a US citizen and immigration rights volunteer in Oxnard, California, describes the moment he says ICE agents in an unmarked SUV rammed his...

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[n_huffhines]

I haven't lost sleep over it.

Of course not. **** them brown Christians and children of God.

 

[n_huffhines]

Criminals “enforcing”’law. Only makes sense to you loonies.

So let's be rid of all LEO's and politicians who have broken the law, right? Deal?

Trump is a criminal and literally the executive of our laws.

Sure walked into that one.

 

[C-south]

So let's be rid of all LEO's and politicians who have broken the law, right? Deal?

Trump is a criminal and literally the executive of our laws.

Sure walked into that one.

That same lame bs. Regardless if true or not, none of this has anything to do with illegal invaders being here illegally committing crimes that wouldn’t take place by them if they weren’t illegally here.