23 Straight Road Losses to AP Top-10 Teams.

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VFL-82-JP said:
We beat a Top 15 team on the road just last year (#15 Oklahoma). And we beat a Top 10 at home, again just last year (#7 Bama).

We beat #17 Iowa at a neutral site (bowl game) the year before.

We beat #3 Bama at home the previous year. And #7 Clemson at neutral site (bowl game) the very same year.

In other words, we can win on the road. And we can beat Top 10 teams.

This is a carefully bound combination of requirements meant to make it look like we don't have a good football program. We most certainly do.

Trolls, go home.

Go Vols!
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Calling OU last year a top 15 team is technically true, but they went 6-7. Neutral site games are a totally different animal.

We haven’t beaten a great team in the road in a very long time. It’s not a “carefully bound combination of requirements,” it’s reality.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
We haven’t beaten a great team in the road in a very long time. It’s not a “carefully bound combination of requirements,”
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Sure it is.

Look at how carefully contrived this is.

First, he had to take out all home games. Because that wouldn't make the Vols look bad.

Then he had to take out all neutral site games, bowl games, and so on. Same reason.

Then he had to restrict it to Top 10 teams. Not Top 15, not Top 25, just Top 10.

That latter step is rather arbitrary. Why not Top 12? Why not Top 5? Or Top 3?

Because the person setting the conditions was looking for a result (to talk down the Vols) and selected the criteria that best allowed him to do that.

Not buying it.

Reality isn't really reality if it is a contrived subset of reality. Mark Twain famously pointed that out.

Go Vols!


p.s. Here's a litmus test to demonstrate just how janky this is.

Question 1: Have the Vols beaten Top 10 teams since Josh Heupel became our head coach?
Question 1: Have the Vols beaten Top 10 teams away from home since Josh Heupel became our head coach?
Question 2: Have the Vols beaten Top 10 teams on away games since Josh Heupel became our head coach?

The answer to the first two questions is, "yes." The answer to the last is "no." That's how carefully calibrated the criteria were.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Sure it is.

Look at how carefully contrived this is.

First, he had to take out all home games. Because that wouldn't make the Vols look bad.

Then he had to take out all neutral site games, bowl games, and so on. Same reason.

Then he had to restrict it to Top 10 teams. Not Top 15, not Top 25, just Top 10.

That latter step is rather arbitrary. Why not Top 12? Why not Top 5? Or Top 3?

Because the person setting the conditions was looking for a result (to talk down the Vols) and selected the criteria that best allowed him to do that.

Not buying it.

Reality isn't really reality if it is a contrived subset of reality. Mark Twain famously pointed that out.

Go Vols!


p.s. Here's a litmus test to demonstrate just how janky this is.

Question 1: Have the Vols beaten Top 10 teams since Josh Heupel became our head coach?
Question 1: Have the Vols beaten Top 10 teams away from home since Josh Heupel became our head coach?
Question 2: Have the Vols beaten Top 10 teams on away games since Josh Heupel became our head coach?

The answer to the first two questions is, "yes." The answer to the last is "no." That's how carefully calibrated the criteria were.
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Rather long response to something that is quite simple. Great teams, championship teams go on the road and win the big games. We ain’t doing it.

I think Heup is a good coach but that doesn’t change those facts. It’s year 5….. it’s time for results. Not excuses.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
We beat a Top 15 team on the road just last year (#15 Oklahoma). And we beat a Top 10 at home, again just last year (#7 Bama).

We beat #17 Iowa at a neutral site (bowl game) the year before.

We beat #3 Bama at home the previous year. And #7 Clemson at neutral site (bowl game) the very same year.

In other words, we can win on the road. And we can beat Top 10 teams.

This is a carefully bound combination of requirements meant to make it look like we don't have a good football program. We most certainly do.

Trolls, go home.

Go Vols!
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Funny how when so called "trolls and negas" point out history, we're ridiculed for living in the past, but the sunshine pumpers quote it with impunity. Odd how that works.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Calling OU last year a top 15 team is technically true, but they went 6-7. Neutral site games are a totally different animal.

We haven’t beaten a great team in the road in a very long time. It’s not a “carefully bound combination of requirements,” it’s reality.
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These stats are always posted with a "rank at the time of matchup" context. Can get even weirder if you just take random weeks of the season rankings. Like week 10 of 2022 we had a win on the road @ #5 LSU. When we beat them they were only ranked 25. The two weeks after that they were unranked. Then won two top 10 matchups vs Ole Miss and Bama to get that #5 ranking, then they lost to A&M then Georgia in the SEC title and finished ranked like 15th or whatever after their bowl win.

So that's either a road win vs a top 25 or a top 15 team depending on which method you want to use.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
These stats are always posted with a "rank at the time of matchup" context. Can get even weirder if you just take random weeks of the season rankings. Like week 10 of 2022 we had a win on the road @ #5 LSU. When we beat them they were only ranked 25. The two weeks after that they were unranked. Then won two top 10 matchups vs Ole Miss and Bama to get that #5 ranking, then they lost to A&M then Georgia in the SEC title and finished ranked like 15th or whatever after their bowl win.

So that's either a road win vs a top 25 or a top 15 team depending on which method you want to use.
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This is true - I had thought that LSU would have been a road victory over top 10 team in 2022, but they were not ranked in the top 10 at that time.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Funny how when so called "trolls and negas" point out history, we're ridiculed for living in the past, but the sunshine pumpers quote it with impunity. Odd how that works.
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This is information that quite frankly means nothing. Most teams do NOT have good records against ranked team on the road. They just don't.

This also has no bearing on the 2025 team as even if you look at those games most of them are before CJH.

It is just so-called fans trying to find something to trash their team with.
 
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Then you have Oregon who beat #3 Penn State on the road - well we know now that Penn State was not really a top 10 team but yet Oregon gets the benefit of that win.
 
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And what about those teams that lose to unranked teams on the road, like Alabama losing to FSU on the road this year and to unranked Vandy and Oklahoma last year.

See, if you look hard enough you can find things to make any team look bad.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
We beat a Top 15 team on the road just last year (#15 Oklahoma). And we beat a Top 10 at home, again just last year (#7 Bama).

We beat #17 Iowa at a neutral site (bowl game) the year before.

We beat #3 Bama at home the previous year. And #7 Clemson at neutral site (bowl game) the very same year.

In other words, we can win on the road. And we can beat Top 10 teams.

This is a carefully bound combination of requirements meant to make it look like we don't have a good football program. We most certainly do.

Trolls, go home.

Go Vols!
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I don't think OP necessarily meant it was impossible, just that it hadn't happened in awhile.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Isn't it also 22 years of losing in Tuscaloosa? How many years to UGA? What's the record vs UF?

Anyone sensing trends here?
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You math is not adding up. Tennessee beat Bama at Bama in 2003. There have been 16 games played in Tuscaloosa, Bama has won 11, the Vols 4.
 
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Until 1992, UT didn’t play UGA that often. UT is 3-10 in Athens this century. UT beat them all 4 times they played there in the 90’s.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Until 1992, UT didn’t play UGA that often. UT is 3-10 in Athens this century. UT beat them all 4 times they played there in the 90’s.
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Once again - ignoring the points in history where the things were different. You either count the entire history or count none of it.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Funny how when so called "trolls and negas" point out history, we're ridiculed for living in the past, but the sunshine pumpers quote it with impunity. Odd how that works.
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The truth, as well as actual history, do tend to bother a certain subset of folks... But i am OK with them being bothered. Carry on.
 
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