Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
For sure, anyone who disagrees that the left is all Hamas terrorists is the bad guy. Defending a genocide is the good guy move
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Not one place did I defend genocide and you are the one that made it personal. I’m finished with this discussion.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Dude. It’s just modified anti Israel protests that have been going on for a decade. If there was no war these dipshits would still be protesting
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You mean if Israel weren't actively committing genocide and was just illegally occupying Palestine, people would still be protesting? Crazy, right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Dude, really? It's because we, the US, are not funding or backing that genocide (I think you mean Sudan?). The US is not only funding Israel's military operations, we're providing cover for them with the UN security council. The UN couldn't send in troops (requires a unanimous vote) to protect the food delivery because the US was never going to go against Israel's wishes to starve the Palestinians.

You can't even be bothered to know what country it's in, so how much do you care about it?
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Do a simple google search on Christians killed in Nigeria or Christian genocide in Nigeria and see what you come up with. Educate yourself or not it’s up to you. Then blow it out your ass.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
Do a simple google search on Christians killed in Nigeria or Christian genocide in Nigeria and see what you come up with. Educate yourself or not it’s up to you. Then blow it out your ass.
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Can you acknowledge that the problem with Israel's genocide for Americans is that our taxpayers are made complicit in footing the bill?

I googled it. This is the first thing that came up

www.aljazeera.com

No, Bill Maher, there is no ‘Christian genocide’ in Nigeria

From Boko Haram to herder–farmer clashes, Nigeria’s crises are complex. Simplistic genocide claims fuel propaganda.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you acknowledge that the problem with Israel's genocide for Americans is that our taxpayers are made complicit in footing the bill?

I googled it. This is the first thing that came up

www.aljazeera.com

No, Bill Maher, there is no ‘Christian genocide’ in Nigeria

From Boko Haram to herder–farmer clashes, Nigeria’s crises are complex. Simplistic genocide claims fuel propaganda.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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How convenient and fitting that out of all the articles on this that are there you chose Aljazeera. Tells me all I need to know.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
How convenient and fitting that out of all the articles on this that are there you chose Aljazeera. Tells me all I need to know.
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Look, I thought you were talking about Sudan because Sudan is a national government committing genocide. In Nigeria, what you're talking about, we can call it genocide, sure. We can say it's because of Christians (Boko Harem is targeting Muslims who oppose him, too). We can say it's 100k. Whatever you want. It doesn't matter to the point you were making.

Your gripe is that people aren't protesting what's happening in Nigeria. It makes sense that people would protest Israel because, once again, Israel is our master/ally. Boko Harem is not our ally. He's not even a national government. It's not comparable. Nobody makes protests about war lords on the other side of the world. That's not really a thing.

You won't acknowledge the point, and that "tells me all I need to know."
 
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Nazi 101. Repeat the big lie often enough and the moronic masses will believe it.


War does not equal Genocide.
Especially when over 2 million of the “genocide “ supposed targets live in peace in Israel as equal citizens….
 
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n_huffhines said:
Look, I thought you were talking about Sudan because Sudan is a national government committing genocide. In Nigeria, what you're talking about, we can call it genocide, sure. We can say it's because of Christians (Boko Harem is targeting Muslims who oppose him, too). We can say it's 100k. Whatever you want. It doesn't matter to the point you were making.

Your gripe is that people aren't protesting what's happening in Nigeria. It makes sense that people would protest Israel because, once again, Israel is our master/ally. Boko Harem is not our ally. He's not even a national government. It's not comparable.

You won't acknowledge the point, and that "tells me all I need to know."
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Against my better judgment I’ll engage with you here. My point is very simple genocide is genocide no matter where it’s happening and no matter who is funding it. Genocide doesn’t just not exist for protesters because it’s not in Gaza. If you’re truly invested in protesting genocide then you’ll do just that and protest genocide not just slam accuse and slam Israel. But by all means you do you it seems to suit you well.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
Against my better judgment I’ll engage with you here. My point is very simple genocide is genocide no matter where it’s happening and no matter who is funding it. Genocide doesn’t just not exist for protesters because it’s not in Gaza. If you’re truly invested in protesting genocide then you’ll do just that and protest genocide not just slam accuse and slam Israel. But by all means you do you it seems to suit you well.
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This position assumes all genocides are equal and that all protests of genocide carry equal weight. Boko Harem doesn't care if the world protests him. Israel ****ing cares. Boko Harem's money won't change if we turn the US government against him with our protests. Netanyahu's money will change if we turn the US government against him. Nobody needs to be convinced that Boko Harem is bad. But I clearly need to convince a bunch of people that they shouldn't be supporting a US government that forces me to pay for another country's genocide.

Do you get it yet?
 
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n_huffhines said:
This position assumes all genocides are equal and that all protests of genocide carry equal weight. Boko Harem doesn't care if the world protests him. Israel ****ing cares. Boko Harem's money won't change if we turn the US government against him with our protests. Netanyahu's money will change if we turn the US government against him. Nobody needs to be convinced that Boko Harem is bad. But I clearly need to convince a bunch of people that they shouldn't be supporting a US government that forces me to pay for another country's genocide.

Do you get it yet?
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Oh I get it loud and clear and get you and your true convictions as well. I thought we were discussing protesting genocide for genocides sake (which was my point) not the selective caring of genocide. My bad entirely, I knew better than to engage.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
If it’s only “genocide” that they are protesting then how come none of them mention the over a hundred thousand and counting Christians murdered and hundreds of church’s burned to the ground in Nigeria? Not one peep have I heard from protesters about the actual “genocide” in Nigeria. How come they only March and carry the flag for Hamas and Palestinians? Is “genocide” not genocide everywhere it’s practiced? These protests seem to be more anti Israel than anti genocide from my view.
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Do our tax dollars enable Boko Haram to carry out their atrocities with impunity? Do we invite their leaders to speak before Congress? You're comparing apples and porcupines.
 
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NashVol11 said:
They signed an agreement that doesn't say that
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Sure they did. Paragraph 13 of the agreement.

Hamas will have no role in governing Gaza. Gaza will be demilitarized. Weapons will be placed “permanently beyond use,” either decommissioned or “bought back.”
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Sure they did. Paragraph 13 of the agreement.

Hamas will have no role in governing Gaza. Gaza will be demilitarized. Weapons will be placed “permanently beyond use,” either decommissioned or “bought back.”
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You still don't understand that "Trump's deal" isn't the ceasefire agreement that was signed. I've quoted and even posted the actual agreement several times. There is no numbered Paragraph 13. Here it is yet again

www.timesofisrael.com

Full text of Oct. 9 Israel-Hamas deal on Trump’s plan for ‘comprehensive end’ to Gaza war

Agreement says Hamas must release all living hostages, and all dead hostages it can, and 'share all the information it obtained' on remaining dead hostages, within 72 hours of Israeli withdrawal
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
 
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NashVol11 said:
You still don't understand that "Trump's deal" isn't the ceasefire agreement that was signed. I've quoted and even posted the actual agreement several times. There is no numbered Paragraph 13. Here it is yet again

www.timesofisrael.com

Full text of Oct. 9 Israel-Hamas deal on Trump’s plan for ‘comprehensive end’ to Gaza war

Agreement says Hamas must release all living hostages, and all dead hostages it can, and 'share all the information it obtained' on remaining dead hostages, within 72 hours of Israeli withdrawal
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
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The document you shared is literally titled the “Implementation Plan” for “Trump’s proposal.”

I don’t see how Trump’s proposal doesn’t have anything to do with it.

If it doesn’t, well, Israel hasn’t failed to do their part, as the document you link references their obligation to allow humanitarian aid as provided in the very proposal you contend is not in effect.

Choose a lane, Nash.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
The document you shared is literally titled the “Implementation Plan” for “Trump’s proposal.”

I don’t see how Trump’s proposal doesn’t have anything to do with it.

If it doesn’t, well, Israel hasn’t failed to do their part, as the document you link references their obligation to allow humanitarian aid as provided in the very proposal you contend is not in effect.

Choose a lane, Nash.
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Their obligation to provide humanitarian aid is in line with the 1/19 agreement, which provides for 600 trucks. You're so eager for a gotcha that you aren't realizing I've been quoting the same ceasefire agreement to you the entire time, and you keep being wrong in different ways. Maybe read the text instead of trying to score Internet points.
Immediate commencement of full entry of humanitarian aid and relief as determined in the Proposal, and at a minimum in consistence with the 19 January 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid. Humanitarian aid and relief implementation steps are attached herewith.
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The humanitarian aid implementation steps then say:
1. A minimum of 600 trucks per day will enter Gaza immediately upon signing the agreement, in line with the January 19, 2025 deal.
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