Jay Graham Arrested

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Pride85 said:
His intent was to have a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old girl! What part of your pathetic mind does not make that connection?!?! As someone posted before, does he actually have to have sex with the minor before you are satisfied? This was a sting to capture people involved in sexual exploitation of minors. The purpose of a sting in general is to capture a perp in the act of soliciting for or simulated commission of a crime. A sting for thieves would be to have someone set up a job and arrest the suspects when they attempt the robbery. A sting to catch a hit man would be to hire them for a job and arrest them when they show up to make the hit. A sting to catch prostitutes is to have a "john" contact them and then arrest them when the details of the "visit" are discussed. In none of cases was a "crime" commited. I CANNOT FATHOM WHY THIS ACTION OF REMOVING CHILD PREDATOR OFF THE STREETS IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU. THEY HAD PROBABLE CAUSE BUT NOT THE DETAILS OF WHO SPECIFICALLY WAS INVOLVED. I HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS AND SIX GRANDDAUGHTERS. I for one am happy that people with this type of sickness of the soul will not ever be able to harm any of them, even the ones that are adults. When they were sixteen, anyone hurting them in that way would not have needed a sting to remove them.
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Are we to assume by your response, your family members are former prostitues?
 
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GVF said:
If the article was quoted correctly, he was informed she was 16 while they were still online, settled on a price, and he still went and gave money.
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I didn’t actually see when the alleged age was disclosed. I believe every one of us has based our opinions on this presumption.

I assumed the lack of clarification on the actual timing was intentional in order to compel our emotions.

Women lie about their age.. The officer could be 50 years old for all that I have been able to gather. I’m saying that because I don’t have a clue how old the officer actually is. If she’s young and could pass as a 16 year old, then I’m more in favor of “he is a pedophile”.
 
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The cautionary takeaway is not that someone IS a perv or pedo... but that they BECAME a perv or pedo--because that means any of us could, too.

I doubt anyone came out of the womb genetically predisposed to seek sexual desires that society or scripture prohibit. But there's always a downward progression--sporadically but willingly initiated--that leads people to crash on the rocks.

When "making love to one's life partner" (giving and sharing sex) devolves into just getting sex (satisfying self) it's easy not to notice that we've left one path and are now on another.

Our brain is our largest sex organ, and it seems anytime we get devoted to self fulfillment (not just sexual or sensory fulfillment) we inevitably end up chasing greater frequency, and then greater novelty. Our brains are just wired so that identical experiences cease to satisfy over time. And so we begin to experiment, seeking new variations as our brain chemistry demands the same level of pleasure as previously achieved.

[insert video of George Costanza eating a deli sandwich while having sex -- or... just quote Solomon in Ecclesiates ch. 2]

It's sad that someone from our VFL tribe has fallen (however willingly, intermittently along the way). But let's not dismiss him as someone "different from" or "weaker" than us. He may just be our future self if we don't take stock of what we're doing and thinking today. For sure, there's nothing in popular culture that's gonna set healthy boundaries for us!

Note: Yesterday (Oct.15) the CEO of ChatGTP, Sam Altman, announced that that they will soon open their AI "services" to erotica for verified adults. Anything sexual that you can imagine... and digitally recorded forever that you requested it?
I'm sure no one's ever gonna take advantage of that information down the road!

Anyway, that's why I'm encouraging us all to be real about Jay Graham, and be real about our future selves and who we could become, further down a bad path.
 
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GVF said:
If the article was quoted correctly, he was informed she was 16 while they were still online, settled on a price, and he still went and gave money.
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And if that is the case, that’s where one “should” be able to say 1) this could be a trap and 2) oh, 16? Yeah, no thanks.
 
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adam.vol said:
My issue on the entrapment thing is that the crime itself in this situation is imaginary. According to the news article, the girl wasn’t 16; The make believe 16 year old is a metro police officer. While these men may have intended to do wrong, they did not.
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So if someone had plans to rob a house, showed up with the tools to carry out their plan, but was stopped before they could execute it, was there no crime?
 
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A 16-year-old? Come on, Jay. As far as I am concerned, all the good things he did for us on and off the field as a Vol is now completely wiped out after this. Graham has crossed a line to no return. Our, as my mom has said, "One oh s**t wipes out ten atta boys".
 
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BenGrimm said:
So if someone had plans to rob a house, showed up with the tools to carry out their plan, but was stopped before they could execute it, was there no crime?
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What are they going to get charged with? Trespassing at most. Maybe for loitering if they are just cruising the neighborhood to see where to rob.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
The cautionary takeaway is not that someone IS a perv or pedo... but that they BECAME a perv or pedo--because that means any of us could, too.

I doubt anyone came out of the womb genetically predisposed to seek sexual desires that society or scripture prohibit. But there's always a downward progression--sporadically but willingly initiated--that leads people to crash on the rocks.

When "making love to one's life partner" (giving and sharing sex) devolves into just getting sex (satisfying self) it's easy not to notice that we've left one path and are now on another.

Our brain is our largest sex organ, and it seems anytime we get devoted to self fulfillment (not just sexual or sensory fulfillment) we inevitably end up chasing greater frequency, and then greater novelty. Our brains are just wired so that identical experiences cease to satisfy over time. And so we begin to experiment, seeking new variations as our brain chemistry demands the same level of pleasure as previously achieved.

[insert video of George Costanza eating a deli sandwich while having sex -- or... just quote Solomon in Ecclesiates ch. 2]

It's sad that someone from our VFL tribe has fallen (however willingly, intermittently along the way). But let's not dismiss him as someone "different from" or "weaker" than us. He may just be our future self if we don't take stock of what we're doing and thinking today. For sure, there's nothing in popular culture that's gonna set healthy boundaries for us!

Note: Yesterday (Oct.15) the CEO of ChatGTP, Sam Altman, announced that that they will soon open their AI "services" to erotica for verified adults. Anything sexual that you can imagine... and digitally recorded forever that you requested it?
I'm sure no one's ever gonna take advantage of that information down the road!

Anyway, that's why I'm encouraging us all to be real about Jay Graham, and be real about our future selves and who we could become, further down a bad path.
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On a related note…

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