Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
"The left" is pointing out that genocide is bad, no amount of "persecution of homosexuals" is going to justify it and it's pathetic that people try
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Where did I argue that genocide is good. My question is why does Hamas get a pass for their despicable human rights record? Because of their religion? Because someone else did something bad?
 
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NashVol11 said:
What context? Each of those killings is a violation of the ceasefire
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Can you source this please?

I disagree that any killing is a violation of a ceasefire. As a tangible example, if there is a rogue hamas militant poised to attack then the defense to neutralize could not be part of the ceasefire agreement.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I haven't seen Hamas "get a pass" anywhere
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They do lol. It just depends on what echo chambers you're navigating, but giving them a pass and turning a blind eye to them, is done by pretty much anyone who is radical left. In two years now I haven't seen any of my super lefty friends say one word bad about them or the Palestinian people. It's only about the "genocide." That's going on. And yes they are all for the most part very openly anti-semitic and have several times called the Israelis nazi's lol. They see the world as oppressors vs oppressed and believe the Palestinians oppressed, so they'll support them, even when Islam is the most fascistic, conservative, anti woman and homophobic phenomenon on earth by a mile.
 
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NashVol11 said:
What context? Each of those killings is a violation of the ceasefire
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Are they? Show me the context of the killings. Did Gazans cross the Israeli lines, placing soldiers in potential danger? Did Gazans get shot because they shot first? As I say, context.
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Allowing in a certain amount of aid was absolutely part of the agreement and is not happening
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Oh, so you want Israel to comply with Plan point 7 without requiring Hamas to comply with Plan points 4 and 6 first. Got it.

In your mind, which other of the agreed upon points does Hamas not actually have to do while we hold Israel to all their commitments?
 
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Are they? Show me the context of the killings. Did Gazans cross the Israeli lines, placing soldiers in potential danger? Did Gazans get shot because they shot first? As I say, context.

Oh, so you want Israel to comply with Plan point 7 without requiring Hamas to comply with Plan points 4 and 6 first. Got it.

In your mind, which other of the agreed upon points does Hamas not actually have to do while we hold Israel to all their commitments?
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Ask the admin. They've returned all the bodies they could recover

In an update on the implementation of Trump's 20-point peace plan, the advisers told reporters that the US government did not so far believe Hamas had broken the agreement by not retrieving more remains.
The advisers argued that Hamas had acted in good faith by returning all living hostages and was working with various interlocutors to find and return the remains of the others.
Hamas's armed wing said in a statement it was committed to the deal but had returned all the bodies of hostages it was able to reach.
One senior US adviser said the recovery of all the bodies could take weeks because of the level of destruction in Gaza.
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www.bbc.com

US plays down claims Hamas is violating ceasefire deal over hostage remains - BBC News

Hamas says it has returned the bodies it can reach in Gaza's ruins, but needs specialised equipment and more time to retrieve others.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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Text of the agreement itself. It doesn't say Israel had to have every body by now

c. Within the 72 hours, Hamas will release the remains of the deceased hostages in its possession and those in the possession of the Palestinian factions in Gaza

d. Hamas will share, within the 72 hours, all the information it obtained relating to any remaining deceased hostages through the information-sharing mechanism in paragraph (e) below. Israel will provide information on the remains of the deceased Gazans held by Israel.

e. Establishment of an information-sharing mechanism between the two sides through the mediators and the ICRC, to exchange information and intelligence on any remaining deceased hostages that were not retrieved within the 72 hours or remains of Gazans held by Israel. The mechanism shall ensure that the remains of all the hostages are fully and safely exhumed and released. Hamas shall exert maximum effort to ensure the fulfillment of these commitments as soon as possible.
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NashVol11 said:
Ask the admin. They've returned all the bodies they could recover



www.bbc.com

US plays down claims Hamas is violating ceasefire deal over hostage remains - BBC News

Hamas says it has returned the bodies it can reach in Gaza's ruins, but needs specialised equipment and more time to retrieve others.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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I don’t have to ask the Admin anything. Heck, it doesn’t even matter what our admin thinks. It matters whether Israel thinks Hamas is abiding by the agreement. That’s it. The only way to stop the killing is for Israel to believe it.

As a pro-life guy, I hope Hamas does everything they can to abide by the agreement, and that Israel believes it. So far, it appears they do, as far more than 72 hours have passed, and the war has not resumed.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I don’t have to ask the Admin anything. Heck, it doesn’t even matter what our admin thinks. It matters whether Israel thinks Hamas is abiding by the agreement. That’s it. The only way to stop the killing is for Israel to believe it.

As a pro-life guy, I hope Hamas does everything they can to abide by the agreement, and that Israel believes it. So far, it appears they do, as far more than 72 hours have passed, and the war has not resumed.
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Quite a step back from this. You justified Israel not providing the required aid by suggesting Hamas isn't complying with the agreement, and now you're saying Israel thinks Hamas IS complying (but is still restricting aid anyway). Thanks
Ritzwatch said:
Oh, so you want Israel to comply with Plan point 7 without requiring Hamas to comply with Plan points 4 and 6 first. Got it.

In your mind, which other of the agreed upon points does Hamas not actually have to do while we hold Israel to all their commitments?
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“Israel is trying to kill all the Palestinians.”
“It is a genocide!”

Also, another hostage had his body released today:

“The body of Sgt. Maj. Muhammad Al-Atresh was also delivered to Israel on Thursday. Al-Atresh served as an IDF tracker, a position that is almost exclusively held by Bedouin Israelis, according to The Times of Israel.

Like Hayman, Al-Atresh was killed during the Oct. 7 massacre and his body was taken hostage in Gaza. Israel declared Al-Atresh deceased on June 24, 2024. Al-Atresh leaves behind his parents, nine brothers, 13 sisters, two wives and 13 children, according to the Hostages and Missing Families Forum.”

That seems to go against the prevailing narrative, doesn’t it?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Quite a step back from this. You justified Israel not providing the required aid by suggesting Hamas isn't complying with the agreement, and now you're saying Israel thinks Hamas IS complying (but is still restricting aid anyway). Thanks
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Ah, Nash being Nash. 🤣

If that is what you took from my post all I can say is that you certainly are imaginative.
 
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