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#6,007
allstar34bd said:
If you reduce the Assaulters, the bus drivers get to do their jobs peacefully... Stop making excuses for violent criminals. Stop trying to work around the worst of the worst.
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And if you decrease assaults by 40%, bus drivers get to do their jobs peacefully as well. You are complaining about a solution that works extremely well, because you have no idea what you're talking about
 
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NashVol11 said:
And if you decrease assaults by 40%, bus drivers get to do their jobs peacefully as well. You are complaining about a solution that works extremely well, because you have no idea what you're talking about
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Bow down to criminals. NashVol11 2028.

"We are going to reduce road rage by only letting angry people on the road from 6am-9am"

You live in a Utopia, wait until something you support comes back and bites you because you are so bleeding heart to scumbags.
 
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allstar34bd said:
Bow down to criminals. NashVol11 2028.

"We are going to reduce road rage by only letting angry people on the road from 6am-9am"

You live in a Utopia, wait until something you support comes back and bites you because you are so bleeding heart to scumbags.
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I don't think you even know what you're rambling about. Free bus routes don't "bite" anyone and what Zohran said was 100% correct. Time to go to bed
 
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volbound1700 said:
Who is laying for these bus rides and where are they getting the money from?
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Brother his platform is all over the place, Google is free. I'm so tired of people with no connection to NYC asking bad faith questions. My point was that what he said about assaults is 100% correct
 
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NashVol11 said:
And if you decrease assaults by 40%, bus drivers get to do their jobs peacefully as well. You are complaining about a solution that works extremely well, because you have no idea what you're talking about
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so the argument is that 40% of assaults on busses are directly related to fares, and specific to only the bus drivers?
 
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LouderVol said:
so the argument is that 40% of assaults on busses are directly related to fares, and specific to only the bus drivers?
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There isn't an argument. Fewer interactions with drivers at the fare box results in fewer altercations, everywhere this has been tried
 
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NashVol11 said:
And if you decrease assaults by 40%, bus drivers get to do their jobs peacefully as well. You are complaining about a solution that works extremely well, because you have no idea what you're talking about
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It's not a solution, it's a bandage that caters to the lowest common denominator. You'd reduce bus assaults by 100% if you just got rid of busses and forced the hoodlums to walk everywhere.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
It's not a solution, it's a bandage that caters to the lowest common denominator. You'd reduce bus assaults by 100% if you just got rid of busses and forced the hoodlums to walk everywhere.
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That would be much less of a solution lol, people are trying so hard to find something to complain about with making buses 40% safer

"The solution to car safety is no one having a car!! This seems smart to me!!"
 
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NashVol11 said:
There isn't an argument. Fewer interactions with drivers at the fare box results in fewer altercations, everywhere this has been tried
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this is like saying fewer cops reduces crime because there are fewer arrests.

its true on its face, but it misses the point. I doubt the fares on the busses are restrictive. I doubt they come close to actually covering the cost.
 
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LouderVol said:
this is like saying fewer cops reduces crime because there are fewer arrests.

its true on its face, but it misses the point. I doubt the fares on the busses are restrictive. I doubt they come close to actually covering the cost.
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Not really. That situation could potentially result in the same amount of crime but fewer people get caught. This results in fewer assaults on drivers, period, not "the same number with fewer getting caught"
 
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google ai says MTA does not break down revenue for annual bus fares but those fares make up a portion of the 6.87B revenue it made last year.

At some point, the amount of services provided becomes cost prohibitive relative to the tax revenue a government can acquire.

How many assaults on bus drivers occur annually? Is 40% less than that number worth the amount of money taxpayers will need to fund bus service?
 
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McDad said:
google ai says MTA does not break down revenue for annual bus fares but those fares make up a portion of the 6.87B revenue it made last year.

At some point, the amount of services provided becomes cost prohibitive relative to the tax revenue a government can acquire.
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NY gave a $959M tax credit to Elon Musk, the city has plenty of tax revenue for this
McDad said:
How many assaults on bus drivers occur annually? Is 40% less than that number worth the amount of money taxpayers will need to fund bus service?
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There are plenty of benefits to free bus routes beyond safety. Making it easier for people to get to work can result in massive economic benefits, fewer emissions, less traffic, many other things
 
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NashVol11 said:
NY gave a $959M tax credit to Elon Musk, the city has plenty of tax revenue for this

There are plenty of benefits to free bus routes beyond safety. Making it easier for people to get to work can result in massive economic benefits, fewer emissions, less traffic, many other things
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A tax credit is not equivalent to tax revenue. I tried to find a concise year by year account of NYC budget deficits and surpluses over the years. That information is incredibly hard to come by without pouring over pages of data from the comptroller's office. There is A LOT of politically partisan resources touting both surpluses and deficits...and some of those are for the same year. It's a mess.

The other benefits aren't part of his justification for his proposal. I don't know how to quantify or project those potential benefits.
 
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McDad said:
A tax credit is not equivalent to tax revenue. I tried to find a concise year by year account of NYC budget deficits and surpluses over the years. That information is incredibly hard to come by without pouring over pages of data from the comptroller's office. There is A LOT of politically partisan resources touting both surpluses and deficits...and some of those are for the same year. It's a mess.
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Tax credits reduce tax revenue, though.
McDad said:
The other benefits aren't part of his justification for his proposal. I don't know how to quantify or project those potential benefits.
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Yes they are. The economic benefit was projected to be quite substantial IIRC

EDIT: one example
 
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