Another Government Shutdown Thread

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Ashevolle said:
Would love to see an actual proposal to fix the issue from the GOP but they seem content to just end the subsidies and do nothing else.
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It would be good to have some adult conversation about this, but it's not going to happen. The medical establishment has a very good lobby. If you look at salary data collected by the burearu of labor statistics, 10 of the top 10 are doctors.

Meanwhile, Politicians are dedicating to having the stupidest conversation possible. I don't know why, honestly. I always thought that if either party started talking like adults, they'd win 99% of the vote.

I'll start: Insurance is a mathematical product in which healthy people need to pay the doctor bills of sick people, and it's a lot of money. The amount we pay now, even with some people not paying, is about a $1000 a person per month. That's what we pay now.
 
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The Democrat Counterfeit Resolution: A $1.5 Trillion Ransom Note to Taxpayers | House Committee on Appropriations - Republicans The Democrat Counterfeit Resolution: A $1.5 Trillion Ransom Note to Taxpayers

The Democrat Counterfeit Resolution:

Restores taxpayer-funded free healthcare for illegal aliens.

Props up liberal news programs.

Prioritizes electric vehicle access to HOV lanes, regardless of vehicle occupancy.

Removes work requirements for able-bodied, non-working adults on taxpayer-funded health programs.

Resumes DEI projects in foreign countries.

Hands criminals over $1 billion more for taxpayer-funded defense.

Repeals $50 billion in rural health care funding, hurting hospitals and clinics in vulnerable communities.

Reverses lawful executive actions made by the President.

Rescinds border security measures passed through the Working Families Tax Cuts.

Usurps the President’s authority over emergency funds.

Locks in Biden Administration grant policies in direct contrast to President Trump’s executive orders.

Handcuffs the Trump Administration’s ability to make agile decisions.

Burdens Trump Administration officials with added bureaucracy meant to slow down progress.

Includes $1.5 trillion in new spending for just a month of keeping government funding extended.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
The Democrat Counterfeit Resolution: A $1.5 Trillion Ransom Note to Taxpayers | House Committee on Appropriations - Republicans The Democrat Counterfeit Resolution: A $1.5 Trillion Ransom Note to Taxpayers

The Democrat Counterfeit Resolution:

Restores taxpayer-funded free healthcare for illegal aliens.

Props up liberal news programs.

Prioritizes electric vehicle access to HOV lanes, regardless of vehicle occupancy.

Removes work requirements for able-bodied, non-working adults on taxpayer-funded health programs.

Resumes DEI projects in foreign countries.

Hands criminals over $1 billion more for taxpayer-funded defense.

Repeals $50 billion in rural health care funding, hurting hospitals and clinics in vulnerable communities.

Reverses lawful executive actions made by the President.

Rescinds border security measures passed through the Working Families Tax Cuts.

Usurps the President’s authority over emergency funds.

Locks in Biden Administration grant policies in direct contrast to President Trump’s executive orders.

Handcuffs the Trump Administration’s ability to make agile decisions.

Burdens Trump Administration officials with added bureaucracy meant to slow down progress.

Includes $1.5 trillion in new spending for just a month of keeping government funding extended.
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It’s understandable to see the base regurgitating this, but you’d think people who negotiate for a living could come up with a counter offer that would peel off 7 votes.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
It's a poison pill. They wanted the shutdown.

Pass the CR and negotiate propping up the anything but affordable ACA.
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Again, it’s understandable to see the base regurgitating these talking points. People who don’t need to be persuaded to take the Republicans’ side.

I would like to think that everybody else expects their senator to know they have to negotiate 60 votes, shut down the government, or repeal the filibuster. And to understand that they’ve all chosen to shut down the government.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Again, it’s understandable to see the base regurgitating these talking points. People who don’t need to be persuaded to take the Republicans’ side.

I would like to think that everybody else expects their senator to know they have to negotiate 60 votes, shut down the government, or repeal the filibuster. And to understand that they’ve all chosen to shut down the government.
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I am late to the specifics of the CR. I support reduced spending and shutdowns.

I looked into it this morning. Here's my understanding:
- 2024 spending was about 6.8 trillion. (4.9 revenue, deficit of 1.8 trillion)
- CR funds the government for the same amount this year.
- Ds are wanting another 1.5 trillion.

Everybody agree these are the bullet points?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
You mean deficit? Probably not. But Republicans just added 4.5 to it. So whats another 1.5? No one is doing anything to reduce it or save any meaningful money in any way.
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Well hell then, lets go ahead and double it.

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RockyTop85 said:
Again, it’s understandable to see the base regurgitating these talking points. People who don’t need to be persuaded to take the Republicans’ side.

I would like to think that everybody else expects their senator to know they have to negotiate 60 votes, shut down the government, or repeal the filibuster. And to understand that they’ve all chosen to shut down the government.
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It's all a game. Both parties regurgitate their talking points and put in poison pills.

Trust me the Republicans were complaining non-stop about the " Biden era spending levels " . Now they are reasonable? BS.

Here's an idea , make it mandatory to pay essential workers during their little lords and ladies kerfuffle. They could have a nice bipartisan bill to do just that ...but they need the pain points.
 
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McDad said:
I am late to the specifics of the CR. I support reduced spending and shutdowns.

I looked into it this morning. Here's my understanding:
- 2024 spending was about 6.8 trillion. (4.9 revenue, deficit of 1.8 trillion)
- CR funds the government for the same amount this year.
- Ds are wanting another 1.5 trillion.

Everybody agree these are the bullet points?
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No.

Can you please provide your sources?
 
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rekinhavoc said:
It's all a game. Both parties regurgitate their talking points and put in poison pills.

Trust me the Republicans were complaining non-stop about the " Biden era spending levels " . Now they are reasonable? BS.

Here's an idea , make it mandatory to pay essential workers during their little lords and ladies kerfuffle. They could have a nice bipartisan bill to do just that ...but they need the pain points.
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There are many ways to fix the problem. The challenge is what we see as a "problem" politicians see as an "opportunity". To use a biblical phrase, we are unequally yoked with our leadership.
 
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McDad said:
No source for the understanding of what is occurring. I gleaned that from the discussion.

The data for spending is from Statista.

Help me get right with my understanding, please.
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The 1.5 trillion is the 10-year cost per a partisan budget group, so roughly 10% of that per year. I’m not sure what the net increase/decrease over FY2025 is because it seems like a lot of the stuff they’re asking for was in the CRs that comprised the bulk of the 2025 budget. I think the cuts to Medicaid that they want to roll back came with the actual budget passage about halfway through the fiscal year and the cuts to ACA haven’t taken effect yet.

www.crfb.org

Congress Should Not Add $1.5 Trillion to Debt in CR | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 will end at midnight on September 30, and unless policymakers agree on passing all 12 appropriations bills or passing a continuing resolution (CR) before then, the federal
www.crfb.org www.crfb.org
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The 1.5 trillion is the 10-year cost per a partisan budget group, so roughly 10% of that per year. I’m not sure what the net increase/decrease over FY2025 is because it seems like a lot of the stuff they’re asking for was in the CRs that comprised the bulk of the 2025 budget. I think the cuts to Medicaid that they want to roll back came with the actual budget passage about halfway through the fiscal year and the cuts to ACA haven’t taken effect yet.

www.crfb.org

Congress Should Not Add $1.5 Trillion to Debt in CR | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 will end at midnight on September 30, and unless policymakers agree on passing all 12 appropriations bills or passing a continuing resolution (CR) before then, the federal
www.crfb.org www.crfb.org
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Thanks. CRFB is the partisan budget group?
 
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