SEC Bylaw 10.5. needs to go

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UTFranklinVol said:
the reality is that if coaches were allowed to publicly roast certain refs it would 100% create a bias in the minds of the refs against that coach and it would definitely affect future calls against them.
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It dosen't matter, they already gonna do what they want. Something definitely needs to be done, but much like the government, who knows how deep it runs and who alls involved
 
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This is an SEC Commissioner and Staff Problem as well. I assume they have their favorites and the attitude as well.

It appears the SEC staff coddle teams and use the success of teams to sell the SEC brand. Truly believe that the SEC breaks it down to this, those at the top are inside looking out, flash in the pans are good for a season or two and then there is a bottom rung.
In this case, Auburn was never going to win this game. Games in the SEC have weighted for the darlings. (GA, AL, LSU, TX)

This attitude resonates to the Refs. Bad calls missed calls occur every game but who does benefit when this happen. Auburn was never going to win that game. Just like OK and AU.
 
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Being an SEC official is basically a part time job. It means you have probably 2-3 inexperienced refs calling every game. How good are they ever going to be as a whole? The NCAA or SEC needs to develop a pool of professional officials.
 
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They can roast the officials:

1) State publicly that they cannot comment on officiating. 2) State publicly that the SEC has a process for questioning calls and that the video that they send to the SEC office is only sent to the SEC office with the UT president and AD copied. 3) Have Hubbs, Price et al access the communication to the UT president through a FOIA request. 4) Heupel will have violated no SEC rules and the information gets available.
 
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Action_1505 said:
The officiating is pathetic. It’s gotten worse each year and that’s with having replay to assist.
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The SEC wants multiple teams in the National Championship games, and they will protect their golden geese. Need proof---just look at the terrible calls and even more terrible reviews. I believe this with all my heart. Too much money involved for the SEC.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
the reality is that if coaches were allowed to publicly roast certain refs it would 100% create a bias in the minds of the refs against that coach and it would definitely affect future calls against them.
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So you say that coaches that complain against rigged officiating will then be punished with MORE rigged officiating? Sounds like a chicken and egg argument. The reality is that officials have ZERO reasons to worry about throwing games. Are they blessed and forgiven before the game by some pope official? What you are saying is that things really are hunky dory and no changes need to be made. I disagree.
 
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Volnanza said:
So you say that coaches that complain against rigged officiating will then be punished with MORE rigged officiating? Sounds like a chicken and egg argument. The reality is that officials have ZERO reasons to worry about throwing games. Are they blessed and forgiven before the game by some pope official? What you are saying is that things really are hunky dory and no changes need to be made. I disagree.
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no what I'm saying is that the only thing that will work is if ALL THE COACHES in the SEC make a joint statement on the issue. If just one coach goes up the the podium like a hot head then he's just going to be viewed as a sore loser and gain further trouble with the refs.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
no what I'm saying is that the only thing that will work is if ALL THE COACHES in the SEC make a joint statement on the issue. If just one coach goes up the the podium like a hot head then he's just going to be viewed as a sore loser and gain further trouble with the refs.
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Why would Georgia Bama or any of the other "chosen ones" cut off their own gravy train. And coaches ARN'T the problem they are the symptom.
 
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Volnanza said:
Why would Georgia Bama or any of the other "chosen ones" cut off their own gravy train. And coaches ARN'T the problem they are the symptom.
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dude do you know how bad that would look if an actual coach got on national TV and was like wah wah wah Georgia gets all the calls and I don't! it would be an immediate hit to their coaching reputation and make them look like Mike Gundy level bad. it's just not a good look for a respectable coach they would immediately lose respect in the eyes of all the other coaches in the country. the memes that would be created and how that would be used against you in recruiting?
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
they can still file complaints with the league. I really don't think the coach blasting the refs is going to make things better when people already see that it was a bad call.
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How many lost games have been changed to wins by the league after the fact. Don't look too hard, the answer is zero. Going to the league and being patted on the head and told to "shut up". That's your answer? Look, the fact that we are having this discussion (and it's being repeated ad nauseum) pinpoints a real problem that needs to be addressed. It has zero to do with the coaches. It has everything to do with the officials. A task force needs to be assembled by the SEC to investigate and document the problem if for no other reason than at least letting people know that something is being done.
 
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Volnanza said:
How many lost games have been changed to wins by the league after the fact. Don't look too hard, the answer is zero. Going to the league and being patted on the head and told to "shut up". That's your answer? Look, the fact that we are having this discussion (and it's being repeated ad nauseum) pinpoints a real problem that needs to be addressed. It has zero to do with the coaches. It has everything to do with the officials. A task force needs to be assembled by the SEC to investigate and document the problem if for no other reason than at least letting people know that something is being done.
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dude every team's fans think the calls are rigged against them. you sound EXACTLY like every Bama fan and Georgia fan I know. they all pick out the "rigged" calls that cost them a win. If a coach stands up there and publically calls out the refs not one damn thing will be done by the league except to hand down a fine.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
dude every team's fans think the calls are rigged against them. you sound EXACTLY like every Bama fan and Georgia fan I know. they all pick out the "rigged" calls that cost them a win. If a coach stands up there and publically calls out the refs not one damn thing will be done by the league except to hand down a fine.
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You didn't read the whole thing did you.
 
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fossilfiction said:
The refs are the only staff in college football that face zero consequences for being terrible at their job. Nobody’s saying a coach should get on camera and call someone a blind idiot for getting it wrong— but they should absolutely be able to say something like:


“There was a play where the opposing coach called a timeout, then decided he didn’t want it, and the clock was reset with no timeout charged. I’m not sure why the officials made that call and would like clarification — we’ll be submitting a complaint.”


The fact that coaches can’t even say that without risking fines or sanctions is ridiculous.
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You don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about. The officials are graded on every play in every game and evaluated at the end of the year. Some have been suspended for a number of games and the worst ones are terminated. The SEC doesn't give a list at the end of the year so we don't know who were . Most quitely go back to the Southern or OVC officiating.

One problem the SEC has is like the Chattanoogas, Citadel, and UABs of the world with coaches. If they have a really good official guess where he is going in a few years. Yep you guessed it, the NFL where the pay is a lot better and they have a pension. When I knew a bunch of officials in Atlanta in the 80s and 90s the SEC had no retirement plan, don't know if they do now or not but I am sure if they do it can't touch the NFL benefits.

As for throwing games it's almost impossible to do so these days with all the safeguards built in including background checks(NFL is like going to work for the CIA and SEC is almost as rigorous.) and video replays Also they are monitored for any suspicious big ticket purchases. If you are on the take put the cash in a hole in your backyard until 5 years after you retire.:)

PS- also difficult to throw a game because Vegas is constantly looking for suspicious bets with their ultra sophisticated computer systems.


I have gone to Vol games for 75 years and the only game I ever saw that I thought was thrown was the MCB against North Carolina by BIG officials.
 
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feathersax said:
Las Vegas gambling has made DEEP inroads into the zebras. Sankey-ti-monious is a shill for them, too. No accountability. :rolleyes: :cool:
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Any decision can be affected by money. Nefarious figures just keep putting more and more bills on the table until they get their way. That's the way if has ALWAYS been. Then someone had the bright idea to legalize gambling and gasoline has been thrown on the fire. There are gambling stations giving odds on games 24 hours of the day now. Even while the game is ON. All sports shows are sponsored by gambling. Finebaum and all the rest are making book on gambling now and they all have been told to keep their mouths shut...or else. I think that's why he is leaving his show. It's just too dirty now. It will eventually destroy the game.
 
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Volnanza said:
Any decision can be affected by money. Nefarious figures just keep putting more and more bills on the table until they get their way. That's the way if has ALWAYS been. Then someone had the bright idea to legalize gambling and gasoline has been thrown on the fire. There are gambling stations giving odds on games 24 hours of the day now. Even while the game is ON. All sports shows are sponsored by gambling. Finebaum and all the rest are making book on gambling now and they all have been told to keep their mouths shut...or else. I think that's why he is leaving his show. It's just too dirty now. It will eventually destroy the game.
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Interesting take...& troubling. College football is the only sport I really follow now, & I'm truly skeptical on its integrity Gambling, N.I.L. & other factors are poisoning tthe game.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
the reality is that if coaches were allowed to publicly roast certain refs it would 100% create a bias in the minds of the refs against that coach and it would definitely affect future calls against them.
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Unfortunately, you are 100 percent correct and that is a shame and it doesn’t only apply to sports in the SEC.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
dude every team's fans think the calls are rigged against them. you sound EXACTLY like every Bama fan and Georgia fan I know. they all pick out the "rigged" calls that cost them a win. If a coach stands up there and publically calls out the refs not one damn thing will be done by the league except to hand down a fine.
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This x 1000...when you talk about rigged games or sports being fixed, it's a low IQ tell
 
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