Trade Wars and Tariffs

I think if people wanna to eat and own things they are gonna have to make a choice. Either work what's needed or starve or move to another country.
That’s probably true. But do you think the majority of the young folks (or even millennials) in this country have the gumption to do those jobs? They’d have to get off their phones for 8 hours and I don’t think they can do it. A lot of them ( and most of our elected officials) don’t understand what it takes to produce the food we eat. It just magically appears in the grocery store.
 
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I was curious after reading your post. This is what I found:
I googled: work visa usa number year over year.

AI Overview

The total number of temporary work visas granted saw a significant drop in 2020 during the pandemic but has since recovered and surpassed pre-pandemic levels. In 2024, 1,085,196 temporary work visas were granted, a notable increase from 603,411 in 2020 and higher than the 2019 figure of 897,167. This upward trend reflects a recovery and growth in temporary work visas, driven by factors like increased hiring and improved processing.
Good research. It would depend on whether or not the current administration allows them to still come in or if they change the criteria or if Trump changes his opinion that Americans will do those jobs. I guess we’ll see.
 
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A better option then subsidizing the current legacy laziness that is running havoc now...explain why hard working people should be forced to support lazy MFers who refuse to work because the job is to hard?? And before you do the liberal douche canoe move I'm referring the millions that can but won't.
Legacy laziness is a really good way to put it. There are a lot of folks that just flat out don’t want to work.
 
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Let's do it.

Government mandates indentured servitude will dovetail perfectly with moving the country into full on authoritarianism that you guys want.

The whole freedom thing is overrated anyway.
Don’t get carried away. You know he’s correct that there are a ton of people out there who don’t want to work. Too used to welfare and food stamps. And they dang sure aren’t going to do the jobs that I mentioned. Some who can’t work deserve and need help but there are many on the rolls that don’t and are taking advantage of the system.
 
Don’t get carried away. You know he’s correct that there are a ton of people out there who don’t want to work. Too used to welfare and food stamps. And they dang sure aren’t going to do the jobs that I mentioned. Some who can’t work deserve and need help but there are many on the rolls that don’t and are taking advantage of the system.
It really is sad. We’ve encountered people in our restaurants (although we don’t keep them around for very long) who “can’t” work more than a certain number of hours per pay period or they’ll lose their benefits. Even though they would make more money working full-time than they do with part-time pay and government assistance combined, they would rather work only 15–20 hours a week to ensure they still qualify for benefits. I honestly find that mentality disgusting and believe it’s a microcosm of a lot of the issues that we’re facing right now.
 
Good research. It would depend on whether or not the current administration allows them to still come in or if they change the criteria or if Trump changes his opinion that Americans will do those jobs. I guess we’ll see.
I think the "anti immigrant" label should more accurately be "anti illegal / criminal immigrant".
 
I was curious after reading your post. This is what I found:
I googled: work visa usa number year over year.

AI Overview

The total number of temporary work visas granted saw a significant drop in 2020 during the pandemic but has since recovered and surpassed pre-pandemic levels. In 2024, 1,085,196 temporary work visas were granted, a notable increase from 603,411 in 2020 and higher than the 2019 figure of 897,167. This upward trend reflects a recovery and growth in temporary work visas, driven by factors like increased hiring and improved processing.
One question about the temporary visas though. I have a feeling that’s not all farm workers. There are a ton of folks from India and Asia working over here on work visas in the tech arena all over the country. Got a significant number right here in Shelby County working at the FEDEX Tech Center for example.
 
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One question about the temporary visas though. I have a feeling that’s not all farm workers. There are a ton of folks from India and Asia working over here on work visas in the tech arena all over the country. Got a significant number right here in Shelby County working at the FEDEX Tech Center for example.
That's a fair pov. The ai answer didn't classify by country of origin. I suspect that stat is kept though.
 
That's a fair pov. The ai answer didn't classify by country of origin. I suspect that stat is kept though.
It would be interesting to see how many are from Mexico. Not sure they can compare it to the number of illegals picking crops that come and go. It used to be pretty common in Yuma, AZ for example for many folks to come over from Mexico, pick all day and go home to Mexico every night. With the new rules, I don’t know if they still allow that or not.
 
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One question about the temporary visas though. I have a feeling that’s not all farm workers. There are a ton of folks from India and Asia working over here on work visas in the tech arena all over the country. Got a significant number right here in Shelby County working at the FEDEX Tech Center for example.
More in other areas combined than farm workers. Every Asian auto assembler and tier one has advisors with visas. Many other industries as well.
 
I think the "anti immigrant" label should more accurately be "anti illegal / criminal immigrant".

You're saying this is the label you would put on the Trump admin and/or MAGA? You mean the admin who as a first matter of business told ~530k legal Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans, and Nicaraguans they had to leave the country?

It's like you guys think because they are OK with some immigration that they aren't anti-immigrant.

Jesus isn't on your side with this, bro. Those were masses of legal Christians, God's children, all told they can no longer enjoy the American dream and you provide cover to the admin.
 
Correct, manufacturing in my area, I've worked with some from Brazil, South Korea, Taiwan and India.
I don't know about current situations, but back in the 1990s it was common for visas to run out quite often with the Japanese. They would get 3 months visas but would end up staying for 6 months. I remember how they would joke about it and the stress it would cause our AAs dealing with it
 
Ok. So what? You should have gone all in.

He's great for a stock trader. I made easy money off scalping UVXY after dumbass made his tweet, and bought dips on my mainstays.

Thing is, it's a bad look in the bigger picture because eventually his stock market manipulation will have diminishing returns and he'll likely find other, worse means of doing so.

I know you are balls deep on the Trump train, but you're a smart guy. I know you can see this as clearly as I do.
 
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He's great for a stock trader. I made easy money off scalping UVXY after dumbass made his tweet, and bought dips on my mainstays.

Thing is, it's a bad look in the bigger picture because eventually his stock market manipulation will have diminishing returns and he'll likely find other, worse means of doing so.

I know you are balls deep on the Trump train, but you're a smart guy. I know you can see this as clearly as I do.
You don't think I'm trading off of this? I sell puts out the wazoo when the market tanks due to a Trump speech.
 
You don't think I'm trading off of this? I sell puts out the wazoo when the market tanks due to a Trump speech.

I know you are.

What I'm talking about "seeing" is how bombastic, reckless, and stupid this is for a world leader to be doing.

I wish he'd preface with "announcement incoming" tweets so I could buy puts, lol.
 
I know you are.

What I'm talking about "seeing" is how bombastic, reckless, and stupid this is for a world leader to be doing.
It's a different style. Whether it is reckless and stupid remains to be seen.

What is reckless and stupid is what the Democrats are doing vis a vis the shutdown.

Can you resend the build for that Old Smoky with the Scotch? If you have it...
 
It's a different style. Whether it is reckless and stupid remains to be seen.

What is reckless and stupid is what the Democrats are doing vis a vis the shutdown.

Brother it's reckless and stupid. It diminishes our diplomatic reliability, tarnished our role as the world trade leaders, and frankly makes the American voter look dumber by the day.

I know you have a "**** the rest of the world" mentality here but you have to see reason and realize doing our own thing isn't viable in the long run.

Also blaming the third Trump shutdown on democrats is silly.
 
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