Israel vs Palestinians II

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Orangeslice13 said:
“Can Palestinians choose their own leaders…” may be the stupidest question ever posed on this board.

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Yu're a laugh a minute, intentionally or not. Why don't you explain how they can hold elections or stage a coup next week or next month? Hamas is nominally in charge there per the agreement, aren't they?
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Well,

This finally puts the terminal nail in the Genocide Lie.

If Israel was interested in genocide, per the definition of the term, this peace deal would not be in effect.

As for those of us who said, "if Hamas releases the hostages and stops shooting, just watch to see what happens," well, we were right!

Do I think this peace will endure? Absolutely not. Scripture is clear on that. Regardless, this is the greatest foreign policy achievement of this century, and one of the greatest of my lifetime. What a remarkable achievement by this President and his staff.
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When something's happening and then it stops, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
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EasternVol said:
So they may be locked in with hamas for a while.
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No, the people could rise up against them.

Here's what I worry about, that Qatar has cooked a deal with us and Israel to allow Hamas to remain in power. That almost assuredly results in the status quo.

I'm not really sure it matters.
 
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EasternVol said:
When something's happening and then it stops, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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You know, EV, I started to draft a thoughtful reply to this articulating my position my clearly, but I have deleted it.

We have both wanted this war to stop and this killing to stop for a long time. Today it stopped. I don't know how long that lasts, but for now, it has stopped.

Let's shake hands, put on the same uniform right now, a uniform of peace, and celebrate that at least for now, this nightmare is over.

🤝

-RW-
 
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KB5252 said:
No, the people could rise up against them.

Here's what I worry about, that Qatar has cooked a deal with us and Israel to slow Hamas to remain in power. That almost assuredly results in the status quo.

I'm not really sure it matters.
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An uprising with half the territory occupied by Israel and a well armed hamas in the other half would have little chance of success. Hamas being replaced via elections should be a requirement of the ceasefire but then Trump's involved so there's no telling what's been agreed. Between hamas, Trump and Bibi there's not a scruple to be found.
 
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EasternVol said:
An uprising with half the territory occupied by Israel and a well armed hamas in the other half would have little chance of success. Hamas being replaced via elections should be a requirement of the ceasefire but then Trump's involved so there's no telling what's been agreed. Between hamas, Trump and Bibi there's not a scruple to be found.
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You have evidence that says Hamas replacement would be accepted by Hamas for a peace deal???

They've ruled by intimidation for almost 20 years.
 
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EasternVol said:
Can they choose other leadership per the cease fire terms in effect?
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KB5252 said:
i don't know if it's even addressed.
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EasternVol said:
So they may be locked in with hamas for a while.
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EasternVol said:
An uprising with half the territory occupied by Israel and a well armed hamas in the other half would have little chance of success. Hamas being replaced via elections should be a requirement of the ceasefire but then Trump's involved so there's no telling what's been agreed. Between hamas, Trump and Bibi there's not a scruple to be found.
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Paragraphs 10, 13, & 19 of the 20 point plan:

www.bbc.com

Donald Trump's 20-point Gaza peace plan in full

The US president says Israel and Hamas have "signed off on the first phase" of his 20-point Gaza peace plan, which he unveiled last month.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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McDad said:
You have evidence that says Hamas replacement would be accepted by Hamas for a peace deal???

They've ruled by intimidation for almost 20 years.
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If they have no choice then they have no choice. It will be interesting to see how implementation of the rest of the deal proceeds or doesn't.
Yes they have ruled by intimidation for almost 20 years, with Israel's help.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Well,

This finally puts the terminal nail in the Genocide Lie.

If Israel was interested in genocide, per the definition of the term, this peace deal would not be in effect.

As for those of us who said, "if Hamas releases the hostages and stops shooting, just watch to see what happens," well, we were right!

Do I think this peace will endure? Absolutely not. Scripture is clear on that. Regardless, this is the greatest foreign policy achievement of this century, and one of the greatest of my lifetime. What a remarkable achievement by this President and his staff.
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It’s not just scripture. You can’t leave Hamas in charge of Gaza and expect peace.
Maybe the people of Gaza will pick better leaders….you know….if someone gives them permission.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Paragraphs 10, 13, & 19 of the 20 point plan:

www.bbc.com

Donald Trump's 20-point Gaza peace plan in full

The US president says Israel and Hamas have "signed off on the first phase" of his 20-point Gaza peace plan, which he unveiled last month.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Hasn't Hamas already publicly stated they would not last down their arms? Would their acts of asserting their rule and executions/battles with opposition groups already have broken point 13?
 
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KB5252 said:
No, the people could rise up against them.

Here's what I worry about, that Qatar has cooked a deal with us and Israel to slow Hamas to remain in power. That almost assuredly results in the status quo.

I'm not really sure it matters.
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No ….we didn’t give them permission to change leaders.
Fing stupid.
You’re on the money. If Hamas remains in power it’s just status quo.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s not just scripture. You can’t leave Hamas in charge of Gaza and expect peace.
Maybe the people of Gaza will pick better leaders….you know….if someone gives them permission.
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Yeah, Hamas has got to go.

One step further: Any governing authority, on any side of this, that thinks the only way to peace is to kill everyone on the only side must go if this peace is to be sustainable for any length of time.
 
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EasternVol said:
If they're forced to conceed then they have no choice. They weren't negotiating from a position of strength.
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I am not trying to be argumentative here. I read your posts in this thread and get the idea you want Israel and America out of Gaza. You want them to have more self determination. That seems counter to "forcing them to concede".

What am i missing?
 
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McDad said:
I am not trying to be argumentative here. I read your posts in this thread and get the idea you want Israel and America out of Gaza. You want them to have more self determination. That seems counter to "forcing them to concede".

What am i missing?
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Self determination for the people. Hamas is a rogue puppet of an occupier.
 
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EasternVol said:
What I mean is that they should have real self determination. Hamas isn't that.
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I get that. You've been consistent about self determination.

I don't know how to force it with a peace deal brokered by djt/america considering you want Israel and America to stay out of it....which, in full disclosure, is something I am in favor of as well.
 
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