Does Heupel have the killer instinct as a coach?

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My only complaint is this... when the defense creates a turnover in plus territory I would like to see us take a shot down the field or to the end zone. That quick change and quick momentum change could really help. Maybe there is a reason why we don't that I don't see
 
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the biggest knock on Heupel at this point is his ability to win big road games against our top competition (Bama/Florida/Georgia) and the fact that he still hasn't made it to the SEC championship game.

IMO he and/or his staff do not know how to put that serial killer instinct into the players that causes them to win even in the most hostile environments.

as far as offense/defense goes we've scored more points than any other team in college football and done it in the top conference in America and we are #4 in the nation in total offense. I really don't know how much more you could ask of them. the defense is definitely lacking compared to last year but UT still has the second most sacks in the nation. we just play really soft zone defense and teams with a good OL can beat us easily in the pass game.
 
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Orangesmokey said:
My only complaint is this... when the defense creates a turnover in plus territory I would like to see us take a shot down the field or to the end zone. That quick change and quick momentum change could really help. Maybe there is a reason why we don't that I don't see
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We actually did exactly that after the first fumble and missed on 2 long throws
 
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utvolpj said:
We actually did exactly that after the first fumble and missed on 2 long throws
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We did this game but I feel like we don't do it enough. It seems we like to run the ball more often than taking shot down the field. I could be wrong. It could be just my perception.
 
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He definitely had it in 2022 and I thought in 23 and 24 he called a more conservative game because Joe and Nico couldn't really run his offense like he wanted. But Joey can and he is still being conservative. Agree he is for sure not coaching like he did in the beginning??
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
What are your excuses for never competing or coaching any sport remotely close to this level? How could you possibly know what to do?
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That’s like saying I’m not qualified to put a band aid on my child because I didn’t go to med school. Bravo Bernard. I’d bet you never worked an oil rig but still know how to pump gas? You prob didn’t invent the internet, bet you still have the ability to use it? Prob never built a car on the line in Michigan but can explain to someone how to change a tire? This wasn’t your best work buddy.

I never needed to be an SEC coach to see that coach H has made some terrible decisions this year, especially when it comes to clock mgmt and having any fortitude to close out games.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
I’m not sure this is the right answer but we honestly are dealing with some injuries on the offense that have really handcuffed what we do. Ethan Davis, Pendleton, Jackson, Jefferson, Brame to name a few.

Some are playing through it while others can’t.
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Refusing to throw the ball against 8 in the box with a single high safety and man coverage against Brazzell and Matthews for the final 20 minutes of the second half isn't because of injuries.
 
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Big Orange Captain said:
What has happened to the offense the last two games? It seems the play calling has changed from the first 4 games to the last two against State ahd Arkansas. It seems we have been less aggressive and more hesitant with play calling and more conservative in general. It’s like Heupel has morphed into Butch Jones getting ultra conservative and trying to sit on a lead. I noticed he started doing that last year as well now last season we had a good enough defense that we could do that and trust our defense to win the game. However we cannot do that this season the defense cannot be trusted to win the game we need our offense to score as much as we can and keep the throttle down. We left at least 10 points on the board against Arkansas and that game got way too nerve wracking at the end cause of Heupel’s conservative play calling and trying to milk the clock. We were fortunate we didn’t lose to Miss.St and Arkansas but a win is still a win but it don’t have to be so damn stress inducing. And if Heupel stays aggressive and goes for the kill shot against Georgia we win that game. Maybe he was saving some stuff for Bama and not showing much against State and Arky i don’t know. 🤷‍♀️. Always play to win not too lose!! I watched A&M deliver the knockout punch to Florida last night and thought man it would be nice if we could close out a game like that and not sweat out another close game.
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Is it is us not wanting to be aggressive or is it defensive schemes that aren’t allowing us to do so
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
He definitely had it in 2022 and I thought in 23 and 24 he called a more conservative game because Joe and Nico couldn't really run his offense like he wanted. But Joey can and he is still being conservative. Agree he is for sure not coaching like he did in the beginning??
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I don't think he trusts Aguilar fully yet like he did Hooker. And I sorta am willing to give him some weight there because while Joey hasn't made that many poor throws, a lot of his interceptions have come from high balls that receivers don't adjust for.

But I'm also hoping that we have played 3 conference games and Heupel has to see his coaching scared and get the clock to zero as fast as possible isn't going to be a long term winning strategy. At some point, he's going to have to turn the offense loose and go balls to wall.

I really want to believe that he wanted a vanilla gameplan for Miss State and Arkansas because on paper, we should beat the hell out of them.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
That’s like saying I’m not qualified to put a band aid on my child because I didn’t go to med school. Bravo Bernard. I’d bet you never worked an oil rig but still know how to pump gas? You prob didn’t invent the internet, bet you still have the ability to use it? Prob never built a car on the line in Michigan but can explain to someone how to change a tire? This wasn’t your best work buddy.

I never needed to be an SEC coach to see that coach H has made some terrible decisions this year, especially when it comes to clock mgmt and having any fortitude to close out games.
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Those analogies are ridiculously ignorant. You're being highly critical of decisions made during the course of a high level game. Knowing how to put gas in my car doesn't qualify me to criticize how the oil was processed to its end use as gasoline.

We made the national championship playoffs just last season. WTF could you possibly know that Heupel doesn't know?
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Those analogies are ridiculously ignorant. You're being highly critical of decisions made during the course of a high level game. Knowing how to put gas in my car doesn't qualify me to criticize how the oil was processed to its end use as gasoline.

We made the national championship playoffs just last season. WTF could you possibly know that Heupel doesn't know?
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James Franklin got his team to the playoff and knows a hell of a lot more about football than PSU fans and it still didn't save him from being fired while being owed over 56 million dollars.

BTW I'm not suggesting Heupel should be fired, just pointing out that fans can still see things that are wrong and don't have to be football geniuses. and being a football genius doesn't mean you make the correct decision every time and it doesn't protect you from making big blunders either.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
James Franklin got his team to the playoff and knows a hell of a lot more about football than PSU fans and it still didn't save him from being fired while being owed over 56 million dollars.

BTW I'm not suggesting Heupel should be fired, just pointing out that fans can still see things that are wrong and don't have to be football geniuses. and being a football genius doesn't mean you make the correct decision every time and it doesn't protect you from making big blunders either.
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How long was Franklin at PSU? How many years has his team been ranked preseason top 5 and not come close to winning a NC. What was our preseason rank last year? How about 2022?

Another ridiculous analogy. Franklin has often fallen short of expectations while Heupel has exceeded expectations. See the difference?
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Those analogies are ridiculously ignorant. You're being highly critical of decisions made during the course of a high level game. Knowing how to put gas in my car doesn't qualify me to criticize how the oil was processed to its end use as gasoline.

We made the national championship playoffs just last season. WTF could you possibly know that Heupel doesn't know?
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It might surprise you to know this, but coach didn’t have to get a doctorate to coach. Plenty of people have a good grasp on football but aren’t head coaches. It isn’t the equivalent of brain surgery. I may not make 10 mil a year but I still have the knowledge to tell you we wasted a few timeouts that we couldn’t roll a few games ago.

What’s your obsession with licking the coaching staffs sneakers? There’s nothing wrong with pointing out that we are in a good spot when it comes to wins and losses, but at the same time point out we have some decision making that can be cleaned up.

The thread question wasn’t “what do I know that Heup doesn’t”. He has proved to coach scared this year and not close games out when we get the chance. We haven’t been good at capitalizing on turnovers, we’ve got conservative and let teams back in games. We’ve just not really put our feet on any opponents throat yet this year.
 
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Question is what happened to what we were seeing in 2022? In Hooker’s last year I would say yes.
 
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Those who do not adjust their thinking and expectations in this new era of conference parity, are destined to be very unhappy in the near future. Close games and two loss seasons will be the norm for successful, playoff bound teams.

Does Heupel have the killer instinct? I believe so. He does have to get us hitting in all cylinders defensively however. The secondary continues to be an issue, for multiple reasons…some of which are out of his control.

I’m really enjoying the ride with Heupel, and the resurgence of our program. We are entering a new decade of dominance in my opinion.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
How long was Franklin at PSU? How many years has his team been ranked preseason top 5 and not come close to winning a NC. What was our preseason rank last year? How about 2022?

Another ridiculous analogy. Franklin has often fallen short of expectations while Heupel has exceeded expectations. See the difference?
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so now we're judging everyone based on stupid pre season rankings? 😂

I mean should I bring up all the times in the 90s that Tennessee was ranked in the top 5 and never even beat Florida let alone made it to the SECCG or the NC game? Does this mean Heupel knows more about football than Fulmer did?
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
It might surprise you to know this, but coach didn’t have to get a doctorate to coach. Plenty of people have a good grasp on football but aren’t head coaches. It isn’t the equivalent of brain surgery. I may not make 10 mil a year but I still have the knowledge to tell you we wasted a few timeouts that we couldn’t roll a few games ago.

What’s your obsession with licking the coaching staffs sneakers? There’s nothing wrong with pointing out that we are in a good spot when it comes to wins and losses, but at the same time point out we have some decision making that can be cleaned up.

The thread question wasn’t “what do I know that Heup doesn’t”. He has proved to coach scared this year and not close games out when we get the chance. We haven’t been good at capitalizing on turnovers, we’ve got conservative and let teams back in games. We’ve just not really put our feet on any opponents throat yet this year.
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No one is saying it's brain surgery and it's always easy to criticize after the fact. I was completely bewildered by the play sequence after we got the fumble in Georgia territory leading 35-30. Still, I don't know how much of that was on Heupel and/or Aguilar. Lots of unknowns to be making absolute claims about a guy's coaching skills who has exceeded expectations
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
so now we're judging everyone based on stupid pre season rankings? 😂

I mean should I bring up all the times in the 90s that Tennessee was ranked in the top 5 and never even beat Florida let alone made it to the SECCG or the NC game? Does this mean Heupel knows more about football than Fulmer did?
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It's not just the rankings. It's the expectations. It's the rosters. It's the recruiting rankings. Dumbing it down doesn't make your argument any stronger. I don't know if Heupel knows more about football than Fulmer. Knowing the game and coaching it at different levels are two entirely different things. Heupel has already done something as a coach Fulmer never did, but Fulmer has a natty that Heupel may never get
 
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