If we are going to face facts, we need to admit that

#153
#153
LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Heupel is not a championship coach. He’s much better than anyone we have had since Kiffin and deserves respect and job security for what he has done so far. Let’s do the damned thing
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Well, no. There is nothing "fact" based about that assessment. He took over a disaster and is in his 5th year right now. He made the playoff last year and would have made it another year had Michigan not provided South Carolina with UT's signals. No wonder it seemed like S Carolina was on UT's headsets.

So in just 4 short years he has been a playoff level coach twice. He's proving it on the field. UT is rewarding him with job security. NIL is solid... and those are the foundations for great recruiting.

If that continues to improve then everything is in place for championship runs... except maybe a first tier DC.
 
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#154
List of current coaches who have not won NC

Scott Frost
Rich Rodriguez
Tim Skipper
Dan Mullen
Curt Cignetti
Dan Lanning
Spencer Danielson
Marcus Freeman
Kalen DeBoer
Mike Elko
Bob Chesney
Lane Kiffin
Josh Heupel
Jeff Brohm
Jamey Chadwell
Matt Entz
Jon Sumrall
James Franklin
Ryan Silverfield
Ryan Carty
Rhett Lashlee
Manny Diaz
Fran Brown
Jeff Traylor
Steve Sarkisian
Brian Newberry
Sonny Dykes
Lincoln Riley
Blake Harrell
Jake Dickert
Jerry Mack
Dowell Loggains
Charles Huff
Kyle Whittingham
Bobby Petrino
Sherrone Moore
Kalani Sitake
Joey McGuire
Jason Candle
Pete Lembo
Eli Drinkwitz
Mario Cristobal
Tyson Helton
Kirk Ferentz
Chris Klieman
P. J. Fleck
Brent Key
Brent Venables
Alex Golesh
G. J. Kinne
Troy Calhoun
Jeff Monken
Kenny Dillingham
Bret Bielema
Jedd Fisch
Dave Doeren
Brian Smith
Pat Narduzzi
Matt Campbell
Shane Beamer
Matt Rhule
Mike Norvell
Michael Desormeaux
Tim Beck
Dave Aranda
Ryan Beard
Eric Morris
David Braun
Mark Stoops
Zach Kittley
K. C. Keeler
Philip Montgomery
Deion Sanders
Willie Fritz
Charles Kelly
Jim Mora
Eddie George
Matt Drinkall
Jason Eck
Bronco Mendenhall
Jimmy Rogers
Tony Gibson
Chuck Martin
Clay Helton
Greg Schiano
Billy Napier
Ken Niumatalolo
Justin Wilcox
Luke Fickell
Mike Locksley
Lance Leipold
Hugh Freeze
Brent Brennan
Jonathan Smith
Sean Lewis
Bryant Vincent
Lance Taylor
Thomas Hammock
Scott Satterfield
Scott Abell
Ricky Rahne
Chris Creighton
Bill O'Brien
Major Applewhite
Jay Norvell
Bill Belichick
Tony Elliott
Willie Simmons
Timmy Chang
Clark Lea
Butch Jones
Tony Sanchez
Sonny Cumbie
Tre Lamb
Frank Reich
Barry Odom
Mike Uremovich
Mark Carney
Jay Sawvel
Jeff Lebby
Trent Dilfer
Trent Bray
Joe Moorhead
Derek Mason
Scotty Walden
Dell McGee
Jeff Choate
Tim Albin
Doug Meacham
Phil Longo
Joe Harasymiak
Gerad Parker
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Kirby
Day
Cignetti
Lanning
Dabo

I think all those guys have solid arguments to be better than Heupel. Then there are probably 10-15 guys who are about the same caliber as Heupel (Freeman, Franklin, Kelly, Kiffin, Sark, DeBoer, Riley to name a few).
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Kirby - agree…he’s good. Would consider.

Day - I can see the argument but I’d prefer to roll with JH in the SEC

Cignetti - most likely another flash in the pan hot name that will be snapped up somewhere else and underperform. They are a dime a dozen. I’d stick with JH.

Lanning - interesting choice. I’d consider it.

Dabo - this one is a head scratcher. He doesn’t like the portal, which is a fundamental requirement these days. He’s loyal to his staff (which is one your beef’s with JH). And he’s allowed Clemson to lose its position of dominance. Hard pass.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Yeah those are the guys who have won championships. But like I said you would, you just dismiss anyone and everyone I say.

Cignetti has lost two games in a year and a half at Indiana, one of the all time football doormats. He already has a better road win than Heupel has ever had. You’d be going crazy for him if he were a Tennessee coach. Lanning is 40-7 as a coach, that’s an elite record. most coaches who start out like that win a championship at some point.

Then you have about 10 guys who haven’t won a championship and probably never will, but you could make an argument that they are a top 10 coach, just like Heupel.
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Oregon was ranked No. 3 largely based on beating a highly overrated Penn St.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Kirby
Day
Cignetti
Lanning
Dabo

I think all those guys have solid arguments to be better than Heupel. Then there are probably 10-15 guys who are about the same caliber as Heupel (Freeman, Franklin, Kelly, Kiffin, Sark, DeBoer, Riley to name a few).
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What has Cignetti done to be included on the list to be considered better than Heupel? Lanning is questionable, as well. The only actual championship coaches are Kirby, Day and Dabo. Kirby and Day aren't going anywhere and I wouldn't consider Dabo an upgrade over Heupel by any stretch at this point. I'm not sure I believe Day is a better coach, either. Prior to the playoff run last year, he was considerably underperforming with the amount of talent he had. I would say Kirby is the only guy who is definitively better right now than Heupel. There are several others who are comparable or potentially better but is it enough of a difference to warrant making a change?
 
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deatojl said:
What has Cignetti done to be included on the list to be considered better than Heupel? Lanning is questionable, as well. The only actual championship coaches are Kirby, Day and Dabo. Kirby and Day aren't going anywhere and I wouldn't consider Dabo an upgrade over Heupel by any stretch at this point. I'm not sure I believe Day is a better coach, either. Prior to the playoff run last year, he was considerably underperforming with the amount of talent he had. I would say Kirby is the only guy who is definitively better right now than Heupel. There are several others who are comparable or potentially better but is it enough of a difference to warrant making a change?
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I am not saying we should make a change. Just that we should acknowledge we aren’t winning it all with Heupel.
 
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#161
Volwonder1 said:
The leading rusher for bama against Missouri today was 85 yards. Simpson threw for 200yards. Missouri threw 2 interceptions. Went 1/10 on 3rd down and still had a chance to win and ended up losing by a FG.

Don’t put Bama on a pedestal this isn’t 2009,2015, or 2020.
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Also their best back got walloped. JaM Miller like plays next week because there isn’t a concussion protocol like the NFL but I wouldn’t be shocked if he doesn’t impact the game.
 
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deatojl said:
What has Cignetti done to be included on the list to be considered better than Heupel? Lanning is questionable, as well. The only actual championship coaches are Kirby, Day and Dabo. Kirby and Day aren't going anywhere and I wouldn't consider Dabo an upgrade over Heupel by any stretch at this point. I'm not sure I believe Day is a better coach, either. Prior to the playoff run last year, he was considerably underperforming with the amount of talent he had. I would say Kirby is the only guy who is definitively better right now than Heupel. There are several others who are comparable or potentially better but is it enough of a difference to warrant making a change?
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You’re on drugs if think there is a world where Dan Lanning and Heupel are somehow neck and neck. Lanning won the Big Ten the first year in the conference and Oregon is a perennial playoff team. Two things Heupel hasn’t done.
 
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I guess my monitor isn't working properly because it HAS NOT DISPLAYED THE BLUE FONTS INTENDED IN THIS THREAD 😁😁! My goodness! Tony V wasn't a championship coach either...until he WAS/IS! But the silliness is kinda entertaining...for a minute....then not so much!
 
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deatojl said:
What has Cignetti done to be included on the list to be considered better than Heupel? Lanning is questionable, as well. The only actual championship coaches are Kirby, Day and Dabo. Kirby and Day aren't going anywhere and I wouldn't consider Dabo an upgrade over Heupel by any stretch at this point. I'm not sure I believe Day is a better coach, either. Prior to the playoff run last year, he was considerably underperforming with the amount of talent he had. I would say Kirby is the only guy who is definitively better right now than Heupel. There are several others who are comparable or potentially better but is it enough of a difference to warrant making a change?
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He knows this, he is just trolling
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I've no idea if he will be a championship coach or not. The SEC has never been harder to win than it is now.

I do know he has some flaws late in games with a lead, but overall he's been incredible. We literally rose from the ashes of 2020 and are playing consistent top 15 in the nation football, while having excellent recruiting and top of the nation level offense.

I don't think we've hired a coach since Doug Dickey that could have turned us from the titanic into a speed boat in so short a period of time.
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This all day. I just posted in another thread nobody is a championship coach until they are. And to me they have to repeat that success. Then they are a championship coach. Saban was a questionable hire at some point in his career. There is no Saban out there to hire at Tennessee.
 
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#167
tennrich1 said:
I guess my monitor isn't working properly because it HAS NOT DISPLAYED THE BLUE FONTS INTENDED IN THIS THREAD 😁😁! My goodness! Tony V wasn't a championship coach either...until he WAS/IS! But the silliness is kinda entertaining...for a minute....then not so much!
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Tony V did a better job than Heupel has done and had less to start with. He made the World Series in year 4 (really year 3 since 2020 was canceled) and then fielded probably the greatest team to not win a title in NCAA Baseball history the next year.
 
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#168
LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
What’s funny is that even if I go out of my way to say that he should not be fired, any criticism is met with “you want Heupel fired.” Reread my OP and tell me what I said in regards to Heupel’s job security.
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In this discussion, you haven’t. You started a whole thread basically saying it though. Go ahead, what else did do this thing mean?
 
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#170
nuclearjunky said:
This all day. I just posted in another thread nobody is a championship coach until they are. And to me they have to repeat that success. Then they are a championship coach. Saban was a questionable hire at some point in his career. There is no Saban out there to hire at Tennessee.
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When Bama hired Saban there was zero evidence to suggest he would go on the tear he did. But here we sit.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Heupel is not a championship coach. He’s much better than anyone we have had since Kiffin and deserves respect and job security for what he has done so far. Let’s do the damned thing
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Let's face it, it's harder to win the SEC in football now as there's more parity and most schools are able to get their cream of the crop of blue chippers, and we always have so many SEC schools in the Top 25. This isn't like the 1990s when it was only between Tennessee and Florida every season. And in the 2000s, when it was mostly LSU, Florida, and Georgia that were the top schools, with Tennessee being up there a couple of times. Times are different now and it's not as easy for us to be a contender these days. But Heupel has put us back on the map and we are moving back up in the upper echelon of SEC teams. And we're still getting more four- and five-star high school players that do want to come and play for Coach Heupel and the Big Orange.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I want your list of "true contenders not just playoff teams" to compare with
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Last year it was OSU, maybe 2 or 3 others and the rest. It’s a bit early to tell but I suspect this year will be much of the same. 12 is to many. 16 is definitely to many. We all thought this playoff system would be awesome games and competition. Truth is it’s not.

With our defensive play if we played an OSU right now how do you think that would look? I think much like last year. We should learn more about our situation next week, but if our defense can’t tighten up, I don’t believe playoffs will be a discussion anyway.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
The damned thing in question was acknowledging reality
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Sure, there’s a chance we don’t win a championship with him but I’m not at all ready to say that we won’t. Our team talent is still increasing and it feels like we’ve closed the gap against the top of the league. Unfortunately, the floor of the league has also elevated so there are no guarantees anymore.
 
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#175
This thread is merely a forum for emotional dis-regulation. Coach JH has done a tremendous job given the dumpster fire he inherited. We still are lacking an experienced blue-chip LB group and big run stoppers in the middle. Offense is coming along, too. He's recruiting well and has proven thar he can play with anyone. Good grief, some of y'all need therapy for your battered Vols syndrome.
 
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