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I saw this post on Gator 247 and I rarely see this sort of honestly and clarity among gator fans so I wanted to share it.

"Honest question: why would either Lane or Cig come here? Why would any reputable coach come here? This program is a disaster. Let's start with Indiana: since the playoff expansion and portal age, Indiana now has a much easier and viable path to the playoff than we do. The blueprint is there for them and they are likely to execute it back to back. All they have to do is survive OSU and MI (and they play neither in the regular season this year). In contrast, every year we have to face a ******** gauntlet--every year we have either that hardest or top 5 hardest schedule in the country. Why would Cig come here with heightened expectations and more pressure, when he's already a made man there with a path to the playoff every year? Sure, there's arguably more money here--but don't scoff at the amount he's making now with the added job security he likely will never have here.

With Lane, he's built that program from the ground up. I remember his first year at Ole Piss and knew if he stayed the course they would be a power--and here they are, 5 years later, and a powerhouse. They are now at full steam. Why would he jump ship to have to start over and rebuild this hot garbage program from the ground up? It's honestly a lateral move at best when you compare the expectations, schedule, and portal. Lane is a household name and the recruits will continue to go to him at Ole Miss because he is a winner.

Lastly, the idea that Florida is a "fertile recruiting ground" as a selling point is a two-edge sword. Yes, the best recruits come from here, but there's also two other powerhouses in the state (one of which could win a title this year) and other programs constantly pillage and raid the state for talent (OSU, UGA) outside of the other big instste programs. Neither Indiana nor Ole Miss have to deal with fending off two other powerhouse programs within their states.

This program is cooked indefinitely until the entire internal system is stripped and replaced. That may not happen for a very long time. I do not think the priorities are there. I am also extremely concerned that our current AD has the ability to make a good hire when he fired Mullen so easily and hired Napier even easier. He has no accountability because the instate politics of hiring a permanent president at UF is yet another hot disaster."
 
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#182
#182
RandomUTfan said:
I saw this post on Gator 247 and I rarely see this sort of honestly and clarity among gator fans so I wanted to share it.

"Honest question: why would either Lane or Cig come here? Why would any reputable coach come here? This program is a disaster. Let's start with Indiana: since the playoff expansion and portal age, Indiana now has a much easier and viable path to the playoff than we do. The blueprint is there for them and they are likely to execute it back to back. All they have to do is survive OSU and MI (and they play neither in the regular season this year). In contrast, every year we have to face a ******** gauntlet--every year we have either that hardest or top 5 hardest schedule in the country. Why would Cig come here with heightened expectations and more pressure, when he's already a made man there with a path to the playoff every year? Sure, there's arguably more money here--but don't scoff at the amount he's making now with the added job security he likely will never have here.

With Lane, he's built that program from the ground up. I remember his first year at Ole Piss and knew if he stayed the course they would be a power--and here they are, 5 years later, and a powerhouse. They are now at full steam. Why would he jump ship to have to start over and rebuild this hot garbage program from the ground up? It's honestly a lateral move at best when you compare the expectations, schedule, and portal. Lane is a household name and the recruits will continue to go to him at Ole Miss because he is a winner.

Lastly, the idea that Florida is a "fertile recruiting ground" as a selling point is a two-edge sword. Yes, the best recruits come from here, but there's also two other powerhouses in the state (one of which could win a title this year) and other programs constantly pillage and raid the state for talent (OSU, UGA) outside of the other big instste programs. Neither Indiana nor Ole Miss have to deal with fending off two other powerhouse programs within their states.

This program is cooked indefinitely until the entire internal system is stripped and replaced. That may not happen for a very long time. I do not think the priorities are there. I am also extremely concerned that our current AD has the ability to make a good hire when he fired Mullen so easily and hired Napier even easier. He has no accountability because the instate politics of hiring a permanent president at UF is yet another hot disaster."
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Welcome to the summer of 2023.
 
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If UF losses to Mississippi State this week, I think maybe the pull the trigger. The spread is 10, so probably not. But it would be interesting if that happens, that two formal Heupal assistants would be major factors in it.
 
#187
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tim said:
James Franklin is on the table.
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Nah.

Franklin, for all his warts, is not a bad coach at all and he's a very good recruiter. He struggles to win against elite teams, but he'd easily have UF back to winning 8 games or more with consistency. Where as Sun Belt Billy is averaging just 6 wins a season.

I want UF to hire another Sun Belt Billy or just give him an extension.
 
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Carp said:
Nah.

Franklin, for all his warts, is not a bad coach at all and he's a very good recruiter. He struggles to win against elite teams, but he'd easily have UF back to winning 8 games or more with consistency. Where as Sun Belt Billy is averaging just 6 wins a season.

I want UF to hire another Sun Belt Billy or just give him an extension.
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I love seeing them flounder, but if Franklin still has the nuts for it, he’d be a helluva pick.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
I saw this post on Gator 247 and I rarely see this sort of honestly and clarity among gator fans so I wanted to share it.

"Honest question: why would either Lane or Cig come here? Why would any reputable coach come here? This program is a disaster. Let's start with Indiana: since the playoff expansion and portal age, Indiana now has a much easier and viable path to the playoff than we do. The blueprint is there for them and they are likely to execute it back to back. All they have to do is survive OSU and MI (and they play neither in the regular season this year). In contrast, every year we have to face a ******** gauntlet--every year we have either that hardest or top 5 hardest schedule in the country. Why would Cig come here with heightened expectations and more pressure, when he's already a made man there with a path to the playoff every year? Sure, there's arguably more money here--but don't scoff at the amount he's making now with the added job security he likely will never have here.

With Lane, he's built that program from the ground up. I remember his first year at Ole Piss and knew if he stayed the course they would be a power--and here they are, 5 years later, and a powerhouse. They are now at full steam. Why would he jump ship to have to start over and rebuild this hot garbage program from the ground up? It's honestly a lateral move at best when you compare the expectations, schedule, and portal. Lane is a household name and the recruits will continue to go to him at Ole Miss because he is a winner.

Lastly, the idea that Florida is a "fertile recruiting ground" as a selling point is a two-edge sword. Yes, the best recruits come from here, but there's also two other powerhouses in the state (one of which could win a title this year) and other programs constantly pillage and raid the state for talent (OSU, UGA) outside of the other big instste programs. Neither Indiana nor Ole Miss have to deal with fending off two other powerhouse programs within their states.

This program is cooked indefinitely until the entire internal system is stripped and replaced. That may not happen for a very long time. I do not think the priorities are there. I am also extremely concerned that our current AD has the ability to make a good hire when he fired Mullen so easily and hired Napier even easier. He has no accountability because the instate politics of hiring a permanent president at UF is yet another hot disaster."
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As an institution, Florida is (and has been for awhile) transitioning. Devotion to football is not what it once was, in terms of being the glue that keeps the alumni connected to each other and the school. Don't get me wrong, its still there. But whereas on a scale of 1 to 100 it was a 98 just ten years ago, now its more like an 85 on that scale.

The student body is, frankly, much stronger and more academically oriented than when I went there. With technology their interests are simply much broader than years past. Combine that with a string of failure to meet expectations and a lack of focus at the top, and it just seems overall to me that football is no the priority it was, not so long ago.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As an institution, Florida is (and has been for awhile) transitioning. Devotion to football is not what it once was, in terms of being the glue that keeps the alumni connected to each other and the school. Don't get me wrong, its still there. But whereas on a scale of 1 to 100 it was a 98 just ten years ago, now its more like an 85 on that scale.

The student body is, frankly, much stronger and more academically oriented than when I went there. With technology their interests are simply much broader than years past. Combine that with a string of failure to meet expectations and a lack of focus at the top, and it just seems overall to me that football is no the priority it was, not so long ago.
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Florida's problem (other than the obvious corruption of the UAA) is not that they don't have enough donors! It's that they don't have enough donors willing to donate to athletics, and more specifically NIL. It's going to remain a problem for the next coach. Florida ADs have been making excuses for decades for how little they invest into athletics vs. the competition. "It's not an arms race."
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Florida's problem (other than the obvious corruption of the UAA) is not that they don't have enough donors! It's that they don't have enough donors willing to donate to athletics, and more specifically NIL. It's going to remain a problem for the next coach. Florida ADs have been making excuses for decades for how little they invest into athletics vs. the competition. "It's not an arms race."
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If they are happy going back to the days of Charlie Pell & Galen Hall then so be it. Nothing wrong with being a Vandy/UF hybrid university if that's where you want all your eggs. Just make sure your coaches and players and recruits and fan bases know that in all your sports. And don't treat your FBHC like you expect much more than .500 performance. If that's really where their desires currently lie, then they should be completely satisfied with Billy Boy.
 
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#194
GVF said:
If they are happy going back to the days of Charlie Pell & Galen Hall then so be it. Nothing wrong with being a Vandy/UF hybrid university if that's where you want all your eggs. Just make sure your coaches and players and recruits and fan bases know that in all your sports. And don't treat your FBHC like you expect much more than .500 performance. If that's really where their desires currently lie, then they should be completely satisfied with Billy Boy.
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There is a difference between satisfaction of the UAA and satisfaction of the fanbase. They don't really have common interests. The UAA wants to maximize revenue/profit. The fans want to win championships. The vision is not aligned and so there will continue to be a situation where the UAA and aligned media oversell the program/roster to sell season tickets, meet fan expectations, and then fail to deliver disappointing fans who were fluffed up to expect to be a dark horse playoff threat.

The only way you align the fanbase with the expectations is by being completely honest, comparing your resources invested honestly to the rest of the league, and then you lose a large portion of the fan base who are only interested in winning championships. Mullen left because the expectations weren't aligned with the reality of the resources that were made available to him. They've given Billy more, but it's probably not close to what their rivals are spending. Lagway's NIL is largely 3rd party corporate interests and not the donor NIL collective.

If we are being honest, it's why they ended up with Napier post-Mullen. They had to settle.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
There is a difference between satisfaction of the UAA and satisfaction of the fanbase. They don't really have common interests. The UAA wants to maximize revenue/profit. The fans want to win championships. The vision is not aligned and so there will continue to be a situation where the UAA and aligned media oversell the program/roster to sell season tickets, meet fan expectations, and then fail to deliver disappointing fans who were fluffed up to expect to be a dark horse playoff threat.

The only way you align the fanbase with the expectations is by being completely honest, comparing your resources invested honestly to the rest of the league, and then you lose a large portion of the fan base who are only interested in winning championships. Mullen left because the expectations weren't aligned with the reality of the resources that were made available to him. They've given Billy more, but it's probably not close to what their rivals are spending. Lagway's NIL is largely 3rd party corporate interests and not the donor NIL collective.

If we are being honest, it's why they ended up with Napier post-Mullen. They had to settle.
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All that makes sense when you try to reconcile Dan Mullen not succeeding at UF. He was a good coach period. If he had seen that landscape upfront, he may not have gone.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As an institution, Florida is (and has been for awhile) transitioning. Devotion to football is not what it once was, in terms of being the glue that keeps the alumni connected to each other and the school. Don't get me wrong, its still there. But whereas on a scale of 1 to 100 it was a 98 just ten years ago, now its more like an 85 on that scale.

The student body is, frankly, much stronger and more academically oriented than when I went there. With technology their interests are simply much broader than years past. Combine that with a string of failure to meet expectations and a lack of focus at the top, and it just seems overall to me that football is no the priority it was, not so long ago.
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So basically UF has become a basketball school.
 
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