No statue for Fulmer at Championship corner

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zjcvols said:
1) How would you know that? The morale was bad for team that was Majors was 29-6-2 the previous 3 years with two SEC titles, and just made the Fiesta Bowl with a 1st round NFL pick at QB?

2) That's not what I asked. Who was the OC that called the plays?
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Let me guess, though: you blame Fulmer for handcuffing Clawson in 08, right? So Fulmer gets all the blame when he was HC and he gets all the blame when he was just the OC?
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
really? Majors had so many years to get the job done and he didn't. Fulmer did. I don't remember Majors with the recruiting classes that Fulmer had. and how much of Saban's success was due to his elite coordinators?

last time I checked neither Cutcliff nor ANY of Fulmer's other coordinators were winning championships as head coaches.
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They tash Fulmer and glorify Majors, yet Fulmer got the ring lol
 
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Flipdaddy said:
Sure…..Johnny gave Fulmer a job. Then Fulmer took over and gave us some fantastic years. No disrespect to coach majors but time had passed him by and if he had stayed, there’s no way Tennessee had the late 90s success. Y’all got to get over the Majors/ Fulmer thing
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This is IGNORANCE! You can’t say time passed Johnny Majors by without implicating David Cutcliffe and Phillip Fulmer at the same time!

Had Brutus not stabbed him in the back while he was in the hospital majors most likely would’ve won a national championship before 98! The reason the administration got sideways with Majors is because he asked for a raise. He was only getting paid like $400,000 at the time! Go read some history and talk to people!
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
really? Majors had so many years to get the job done and he didn't. Fulmer did. I don't remember Majors with the recruiting classes that Fulmer had. and how much of Saban's success was due to his elite coordinators?

last time I checked neither Cutcliff nor ANY of Fulmer's other coordinators were winning championships as head coaches.
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Majors absolutely had the same level of recruiting classes. Classes weren't ranked in the 1980s like they were in the 1990s.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Let me guess, though: you blame Fulmer for handcuffing Clawson in 08, right? So Fulmer gets all the blame when he was HC and he gets all the blame when he was just the OC?
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I think where things went south for Fulmer was when he lost to Saban at LSU in the championship game. That is when he reign slowly began to dwindle. Though he still had three 10 win seasons after that things for Fulmer were never the same.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Two things can be true at the same time. Majors had made some derogatory comments about some alumni and backers before he had open heart surgery. That put him in a bad light. It's also true that Fulmer was lobbying for the job after the 4-0 start to the season. That he might have landed a job elsewhere is irrelevant. That no one of any significance courted him after 2008 is fairly telling of his rep across the country
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We have a winner!
 
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whobethis16 said:
Let me guess, though: you blame Fulmer for handcuffing Clawson in 08, right? So Fulmer gets all the blame when he was HC and he gets all the blame when he was just the OC?
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Dave Clawsen wasn't going behind his head coach's back lobbying for the head job and telling people if he didn't get it he would go be a HC somewhere else.
 
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beachvol23 said:
This is IGNORANCE! You can’t say time passed Johnny Majors by without implicating David Cutcliffe and Phillip Fulmer at the same time!

Had Brutus not stabbed him in the back while he was in the hospital majors most likely would’ve won a national championship before 98! The reason the administration got sideways with Majors is because he asked for a raise. He was only getting paid like $400,000 at the time! Go read some history and talk to people!
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Highly doubt majors wins a national championship. Most coaches do it fairly early in their careers.
 
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This bickering is pointless...

Majors was a UT legend and helped rebuild the UT program upon his arrival in 1977. He played a ridiculously hard OOC schedule from 1978-1981 which slowed the rebuilding effort, but began to recruit both local UT stars, and elite NFL talent from out of state ALONG with putting together top notch assistant coaches. He did have an up and down year to year type program, but had top ten teams in 85, 87, 89, 90, 91, 92 along with three SEC titles and could've won NCs with a little less hard scheduling and a little more luck. He had some of the greatest wins in UT history but also got too conservative and lost some stinkers. He was an alcoholic but rightly complained about his salary in 1992 which was at the bottom of the SEC despite being so elite at the time. His rushing back from surgery and calling donors and the AD and some Board members drunk at 3am about his salary was his undoing, but it doesn't diminish his coaching ability or his status as UT legend.

Fulmer was a great UT player as well, and became an outstanding coach. He did help Majors firing happen, but he was a good coach overall. Tennessee was dominant in the 1990s and yes Spurrier's owning of him from 93-97 helped cement that narrative, he still beat Spurrier more than any other SEC coach by far. He continued the great elite NFL talent, but where he struggled was hiring top notch assistants after Cutcliffe left. He was stubborn and like to old school it a little too much, and had some stinker losses too, but the guy still won at a high clip against a really difficult schedule. His refusal to make changes was his undoing, and he created more serious problems as AD which wasn't for him, BUT he still was a great coach just like Majors.

These two were both two of our greatest HCs of all time in the sport, and while they do have faults, it's dumb to complain about them now or just focus on their shortcomings or who was better.
 
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I got no problem only honoring National Championship Coaches in this way. And I don't care if they won one somewhere else. Here or doesn't count. Don't understand why anyone would take issue with this standard
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This bickering is pointless...

Majors was a UT legend and helped rebuild the UT program upon his arrival in 1977. He played a ridiculously hard OOC schedule from 1978-1981 which slowed the rebuilding effort, but began to recruit both local UT stars, and elite NFL talent from out of state ALONG with putting together top notch assistant coaches. He did have an up and down year to year type program, but had top ten teams in 85, 87, 89, 90, 91, 92 along with three SEC titles and could've won NCs with a little less hard scheduling and a little more luck. He had some of the greatest wins in UT history but also got too conservative and lost some stinkers. He was an alcoholic but rightly complained about his salary in 1992 which was at the bottom of the SEC despite being so elite at the time. His rushing back from surgery and calling donors and the AD and some Board members drunk at 3am about his salary was his undoing, but it doesn't diminish his coaching ability or his status as UT legend.

Fulmer was a great UT player as well, and became an outstanding coach. He did help Majors firing happen, but he was a good coach overall. Tennessee was dominant in the 1990s and yes Spurrier's owning of him from 93-97 helped cement that narrative, he still beat Spurrier more than any other SEC coach by far. He continued the great elite NFL talent, but where he struggled was hiring top notch assistants after Cutcliffe left. He was stubborn and like to old school it a little too much, and had some stinker losses too, but the guy still won at a high clip against a really difficult schedule. His refusal to make changes was his undoing, and he created more serious problems as AD which wasn't for him, BUT he still was a great coach just like Majors.

These two were both two of our greatest HCs of all time in the sport, and while they do have faults, it's dumb to complain about them now or just focus on their shortcomings or who was better.
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Douglas Adair Dickey’s role in all of it must not be dismissed!!! The saga was not just JM PF, it was a big mess, all three w/ huge egos, and in any trilogy, there’s always a loser and it was JM and should not have been.

To not take all the admin factors into account is shortsighted and disingenuous.

I will ALWAYS defend Johnny Majors against those scumbags! He and VolNation deserved better!!! GBO
 
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zjcvols said:
Dave Clawsen wasn't going behind his head coach's back lobbying for the head job and telling people if he didn't get it he would go be a HC somewhere else.
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Ok? You know how many people in countless industries want a specific role and say they'll get it with a different company? Again, he never hid the fact he wanted to be a head coach, he wanted to do it at his alma mater. You complain about him, but why don't you complain about the board and university president and everyone else that could've told him "bye"?

www.latimes.com

Majors Bought Out of Tennessee Contract : College football: School may have been worried that assistant coach would leave and take staff with him.

The Johnny Majors era at Tennessee is over.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

Interesting quote in there from Heath Shuler on what he felt about Fulmer.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This bickering is pointless...

Majors was a UT legend and helped rebuild the UT program upon his arrival in 1977. He played a ridiculously hard OOC schedule from 1978-1981 which slowed the rebuilding effort, but began to recruit both local UT stars, and elite NFL talent from out of state ALONG with putting together top notch assistant coaches. He did have an up and down year to year type program, but had top ten teams in 85, 87, 89, 90, 91, 92 along with three SEC titles and could've won NCs with a little less hard scheduling and a little more luck. He had some of the greatest wins in UT history but also got too conservative and lost some stinkers. He was an alcoholic but rightly complained about his salary in 1992 which was at the bottom of the SEC despite being so elite at the time. His rushing back from surgery and calling donors and the AD and some Board members drunk at 3am about his salary was his undoing, but it doesn't diminish his coaching ability or his status as UT legend.

Fulmer was a great UT player as well, and became an outstanding coach. He did help Majors firing happen, but he was a good coach overall. Tennessee was dominant in the 1990s and yes Spurrier's owning of him from 93-97 helped cement that narrative, he still beat Spurrier more than any other SEC coach by far. He continued the great elite NFL talent, but where he struggled was hiring top notch assistants after Cutcliffe left. He was stubborn and like to old school it a little too much, and had some stinker losses too, but the guy still won at a high clip against a really difficult schedule. His refusal to make changes was his undoing, and he created more serious problems as AD which wasn't for him, BUT he still was a great coach just like Majors.

These two were both two of our greatest HCs of all time in the sport, and while they do have faults, it's dumb to complain about them now or just focus on their shortcomings or who was better.
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Only 3 of those were AP Top 10 finishes
1985: 4th
1987: 14th
1989: 5th
1990: 8th
1991: 14th
1992: 12th

And he backed into two of those titles with Florida being on probation (1985, both 5-1 but Florida won so they had the h2h; 1990, Florida was 6-1, Tennessee 5-1-1 so their % was better), and finished in a 3-way tie for his 3rd. He never won one outright based on record/h2h.
 
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IMO, there should be one statue, and one statue only at Neyland Stadium. And it's already there.

Name a street, the Press Box, the Luxury Suites, or a sandwich after the others. But Neyland Stadium and its entire footprint are about one person and one person only. Others have done good, maybe great things at UT. But the General set it all in motion. End of debate with me.

JMO. I'm wrong a lot.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Their W-L records have been compared. Fulmer's was better. Fulmer recruited better than Spurrier but Spurrier had a better record against Fulmer. It's not the same metric.
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I meant Fulmer and Majors record at Tennessee could be compared if they had relatively the same classes.

Spurrier recruited well. Very well. He was also an excellent offensive coordinator. Florida had talent everywhere. Apparently underrated talent. Manning didn't tend to have his best performances against UF. 95 UF scoring 62 was all on Phil as well, and i guess we should blame him for that. It's also Fulmer's fault Doug Johnson hit 3 touchdown passes on 3rd down in 97. Also blame Fulmer for the 99 debacle in Gainesville. 2000 was a weird game where we ran it on them but couldn't score touchdown passes and ultimately lost because of it.
But you are correct, Majors v Fulmer is a different metric than Fulmer v Spurrier.
 
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Ned Ray McWorkher said:
I meant Fulmer and Majors record at Tennessee could be compared if they had relatively the same classes.

Spurrier recruited well. Very well. He was also an excellent offensive coordinator. Florida had talent everywhere. Apparently underrated talent. Manning didn't tend to have his best performances against UF. 95 UF scoring 62 was all on Phil as well, and i guess we should blame him for that. It's also Fulmer's fault Doug Johnson hit 3 touchdown passes on 3rd down in 97. Also blame Fulmer for the 99 debacle in Gainesville. 2000 was a weird game where we ran it on them but couldn't score touchdown passes and ultimately lost because of it.
But you are correct, Majors v Fulmer is a different metric than Fulmer v Spurrier.
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No, I meant comparing recruiting classes vs. record. Majors was a great recruiter but his record didn't necessarily reflect it with the inconsistency
 
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