President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[85SugarVol]

More urban countries would have a cost advantage for not having to maintain a lot of facilities in the middle of nowhere but otherwise the scale should be proportional to population.

But the question is would it in fact “scale”? I doubt it would.

Where is someone else currently doing it well at our scale?

 

[Vol8188]

No tangent that wasn't fully intended.

Intention doesn’t make it less of a tangent

I can only get certain people to see some things tangentially.

You may be the biggest waste of time on this board

Healthcare in our country, like education, is great by some metrics yet doesn't always appear so when viewed through certain other metrics.

More waste of time. You type so much to say nothing.

I've long maintained that they are pretty much equal in our country.

Cool

My beef is with the braindead who praise one while cursing the other while being fully oblivious to their own ignorance.

Still not the topic.

Which I guess in an ironic way sort of inadvertently supports their position..

Or an intentional way of avoiding admitting you were wrong about the topic of discussion

 

[EasternVol]

But the question is would it in fact “scale”? I doubt it would.

Where is someone else currently doing it well at our scale?

I'd say France.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So @McDad needs to worry

Nope. McNugget posted a picture of himself at Buccees to antagonize me. He’s a butthead but not a fat bastard

 

[volfanhill]

Nope. McNugget posted a picture of himself at Buccees to antagonize me. He’s a butthead but not a fat bastard

He must send you different nudes then what he sends me. But I like a little meat on the bones. He's photoshopping for one of us.

 

[hog88]

Remove the for-profit incentives behind healthcare, top to bottom.

Yeah, that would have no effect on the bureaucracy in healthcare. It would add layers

 

[n_huffhines]

Miller says Trump has absolute power and then fkn glitches out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1o0m14f/stephen_miller_glitches_and_shuts_down_after/

 

[hog88]

We're good but we don't lead in all cancers or heart disease survival. You may want to look at Japan's rates for example.

I’m sure there are the few exceptions

 

[luthervol]

If it’s your point that government makes everything worse then we agree.

As always, the only thing worse than government is its absence. I guess that's why no society in the history of mankind has existed without it.

Private schools always educate at a much higher level than public.

WHAT????????????? That is 100% categorially false.

education and healthcare are an apples to volleyball comparison.

Americans are traditionally fat asses. Just walk around pigeon forge with me. Our healthcare system is the best in the world. Our people are also living the most unhealthy lifestyle in the world too.

The two statements cannot be simultaneously true. They are linked.

Unless you’re arguing that the fat bastards are another failure of the public education system. I’m willing to hear that argument.

trumpism is the only example of the failures of the education system that carries any weight.

 

[appvol]

Miller says Trump has absolute power and then fkn glitches out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1o0m14f/stephen_miller_glitches_and_shuts_down_after/

Let’s play the whole clip

 

[Orange_Crush]

Our healthcare system is the best in the world. Our people are also living the most unhealthy lifestyle in the world too.

The two statements cannot be simultaneously true. They are linked.

I don't agree with him that our healthcare system is the best in the world, but can you explain how both statements can't be true?

 

[luthervol]

Intention doesn’t make it less of a tangent



You may be the biggest waste of time on this board



More waste of time. You type so much to say nothing.



Cool



Still not the topic.



Or an intentional way of avoiding admitting you were wrong about the topic of discussion

lol....You couldn't have proved the need of the tactic any more if you had tried.

There is no shame in falling into the trap.

 

[EasternVol]

Let’s play the whole clip

He does do a pretty good Dr. Evil, have to give him that.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'd say France.

Well I can’t say I know much about France’s healthcare system.

I do know a bit about France; A nation 1/5 our size, who’s resplendent welfare system is strangling the country.

But I’m guessing at a few things:
- It probably boasts life expectancy (wonder if culture and diet play a part there)
- It probably doesn’t cover everything
- What it does cover you’ll wait for
- It probably is better than most of Europe (or you wouldn’t have proposed it)

 

[volfanhill]

WHAT????????????? That is 100% categorially

Quick google search says they are 20% more likely to get into college post graduation and twice as likely to have a degree by their mid twenties.

 

[n_huffhines]

Quick google search says they are 20% more likely to get into college post graduation and twice as likely to have a degree by their mid twenties.

Is that causal or were those kids going to college anyway?

I remember hearing a stat about the likelihood of going to college was strongly correlated with how many books you have in your house. Not how much do you read? But, how many books does your family own?

 

[luthervol]

Our healthcare system is the best in the world. Our people are also living the most unhealthy lifestyle in the world too.



I don't agree with him that our healthcare system is the best in the world, but can you explain how both statements can't be true?

The best healthcare system would not result in the people choosing the most unhealthy lifestyle choices.

It's like saying the coaches of the University of X are the best but the team keeps losing because they are by far and away the most penalized team.

 

[luthervol]

Quick google search says they are 20% more likely to get into college post graduation and twice as likely to have a degree by their mid twenties.

I have no doubt that is true.
But it in no way proves his statement.......not even close.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The best healthcare system would not result in the people choosing the most unhealthy lifestyle choices.

It's like saying the coaches of the University of X are the best but the team keeps losing because they are by far and away the most penalized team.

It's not like saying that at all. It's like saying that 'a system' should take liberties away. Can you define "best"? As in, a healthcare system that mandates diet, exercise and lifestyle? I bet you pulled for the boot in 1984 instead of the face, didn't you?

 

[luthervol]

It's not like saying that at all. It's like saying that 'a system' should take liberties away. Can you define "best"? As in, a healthcare system that mandates diet, exercise and lifestyle? I bet you pulled for the boot in 1984 instead of the face, didn't you?

Who said mandate?
Coaches can't mandate that their players not commit penalties.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Who said mandate?
Coaches can't mandate that their players not commit penalties.

And yet the players can still commit penalties. The coach can either have a penalized team or kick them off the team (mandate).

You are still yet to show how the two statements can't both be true. You are ignoring personal responsibility and human nature.

Both statements can absolutely be true unless you make the system a causal factor to lifestyle as opposed to a coaching factor.

 

[apevol]

stephen miller said on CNN that Trump has plenary authority then immediately stopped talking like he glitched out

 

[hndog609]

Americans are traditionally fat asses. Just walk around pigeon forge with me. Our healthcare system is the best in the world. Our people are also living the most unhealthy lifestyle in the world too.

One could make a strong argument it is a testament to our quality of healthcare that we can keep a population with so many basically trying to live the diet/exercise equivalent of Leaving Las Vegas from having a mass extinction.

 

[EasternVol]

Well I can’t say I know much about France’s healthcare system.

I do know a bit about France; A nation 1/5 our size, who’s resplendent welfare system is strangling the country.

But I’m guessing at a few things:It
- It probably boasts life expectancy (wonder if culture and diet play a part there)
- What it does cover you’ll wait for
- It probably is better than most of Europe (or you wouldn’t have proposed it)

- It's true that you don't encounter many really overweight French people.
- anything life saving and about anything that's really necessary for quality of life is covered.
- somewhat true but nothing close to UK level waits. It's a point of pride that their system's better than the rosbifs'.
- I know a lot of people that have to use the French system and the feedback is good. Some Dutch and Germans I know are pretty happy with theirs too while the Brits aren't.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Remove the for-profit incentives behind healthcare, top to bottom.

Do that and research and development on new technologies diminishes.

These broad brush “genius” solutions can’t be taken seriously. Try again