Biden FBI spied on 8 senators: Arctic Frost Investigation

[85SugarVol]

I think so, but it’s barely more than 50% confidence.

If there was anything that could muster the requisite support for an amendment - surely it’s an enshrinement of the Filibuster (especially while the Democrats are in the minority).

Still, an incredibly high hurdle. And unlikely.

 

[RockyTop85]

Sure and they should. However if there like in the sand is we aren't funding the healthcare stuff, and the Dems are saying they won't budge unless they get the HC stuff back then they are both not negotiating

100% agree.

 

[RockyTop85]

If there was anything that could muster the requisite support for an amendment - surely it’s an enshrinement of the Filibuster (especially while the Democrats are in the minority).

Still, an incredibly high hurdle. And unlikely.

It has been pitiful to see the “nuke the filibuster” folks turn into the “democrats aren’t doing enough” folks without any hint of self-awareness.

 

[McDad]

Did you run out of blue font?

I don't get the default of extreme government distrust here.

Is it about the evidence presented to the grand jury?
the grand jury?
fbi overstepping the scope of what the grand jury allowed?

 

[hog88]

I don't get the default of extreme government distrust here.

Is it about the evidence presented to the grand jury?
the grand jury?
fbi overstepping the scope of what the grand jury allowed?

After the way the FBI obtained the FISA warrants during it’s Trump/Russia investigation I have a real hard time trusting these institutions.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Yet a liberal halfwit literally called Trump a " fascist" and me a "fascist apologist" today for supporting him rather than the Dems.

The Obama and Biden Administrations did a half dozen things each that are worse than Watergate. They HATE this country that they grew up in. They don't even try to hide their contempt like when Big Mike Obama said the first time he had been proud to be an American was when Barry was elected. "Deplorables"
"clinging to their guns and Bibles".

Thats not "tribalism" to acknowledge it either...as several of the self described "moderates" or "independents" want to call rational people for calling a damn spade a spade.

Everything you listed above is ridiculous.

When are they going to prison though? When is ANYONE from the Left involved in all that BS you listed going to prison?

Trump is a fascist but so is Joe Biden.

 

[McDad]

After the way the FBI obtained the FISA warrants during it’s Trump/Russia investigation I have a real hard time trusting these institutions.

That isn't a stretch for me. I am more suspicious of the case the FBI made to the grand jury more than i distrust the GJ. I don't have a problem with the FBI looking at phone data as part of an investigation because that is allowed.

 

[hog88]

That isn't a stretch for me. I am more suspicious of the case the FBI made to the grand jury more than i distrust the GJ. I don't have a problem with the FBI looking at phone data as part of an investigation because that is allowed.

The GJ is only working with the crap the DOJ/FBI feeds them so IMO they are innocent bystanders being used.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So, why were they spying and what did they find… or are we just going to assume it was unwarranted?

Since most liberals here assume that the Comey indictments are unwarranted, I guess we can expect some consistency? Or no?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Ironic considiner you all hide your head up your asses on anything Trump does and then but, but....Biden.

But but....Hunter!

But but...her emails!

But but...Obama!

Hell you idiots are blaming Democrats for the government shutdown and your side controls the entire government. You dont' need a single Democrat vote to get your budge through but they're too big of cowards to do it.

If the republicans controlled the entire government, there would be no shutdown. Majority != absolute control.

 

[hog88]

Since most liberals here assume that the Comey indictments are unwarranted, I guess we can expect some consistency? Or no?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Is the FBI not allowed to look at phone data as part of an investigation?
Or is this a problem because they only looked at R phone data?

Yah. I'm holding out for more info. But I will say, just like indicting political rivals, this kind of ish better have it's Is dotted and Ts crossed. It's a bad look otherwise. Conversely, if the Is are dotted, and the Ts are crossed, then investigate and indict as needed since no one should be above the law--ESPECIALLY our government.

 

[whodeycin85]

It already went through the court. If there was a potential violation, surely someone would have raised a concern.
I can wrap my head around one side going after another side, but what doesn't make sense is that people would jeopardize their reputation or livelihood to do so.

Any idea how this subpenoa compare to the illegal fisa warrant that made it thru the courts?

 

[McDad]

Yah. I'm holding out for more info. But I will say, just like indicting political rivals, this kind of ish better have it's Is dotted and Ts crossed. It's a bad look otherwise. Conversely, if the Is are dotted, and the Ts are crossed, then investigate and indict as needed since no one should be above the law--ESPECIALLY our government.

No argument from me. DC is a political place and everyone there is going to play the political game. It raises an eye that all the folks are Rs. But in the context of the Jan 6 event, I can understand why Rs are part of the investigation.

 

[McDad]

Any idea how this subpenoa compare to the illegal fisa warrant that made it thru the courts?

No sir.

Which illegal fisa warrant are you referencing?

 

[whodeycin85]

No sir.

Which illegal fisa warrant are you referencing?

The Carter Paige fisa warrents.

 

[n_huffhines]

Biden FBI Spied on Eight Republican Senators as Part of Arctic Frost Investigation, Grassley Oversight Reveals | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

WASHINGTON – An explosive FBI document obtained by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck...

www.judiciary.senate.gov

The FBI in 2023 sought and obtained data about the senators’ phone use from January 4 through January 7, 2021. That data shows when and to whom a call is made, as well as the duration and general location data of the call. The data does not include the content of the call.
This document was found in a Prohibited Access file in response to Grassley’s oversight requests. Grassley’s oversight exposed the existence of Prohibited Access files, a file system the FBI uses to limit access to certain documents by making some files inaccessible to most FBI agents.
Read the FBI document HERE.
The FBI targeted the following Members of Congress:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
Sen. Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.)
Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.)
Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-Alaska)
Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.)
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)
Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.)
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.)
Grassley issued the following statement regarding today’s disclosure:
“Based on the evidence to-date, Arctic Frost and related weaponization by federal law enforcement under Biden was arguably worse than Watergate.
“What I’ve uncovered today is disturbing and outrageous political conduct by the Biden FBI. The FBI’s actions were an unconstitutional breach, and Attorney General Bondi and Director Patel need to hold accountable those involved in this serious wrongdoing.
“I started the Arctic Frost investigation in July 2022 after hearing from whistleblowers. It’s taken years to get records and advance my investigation, but what the public is seeing now demonstrates the importance of congressional oversight and whistleblowers. My whistleblowers deserve great thanks for what they’ve helped expose. None of this would have been known without them.”

This fkn guy

 

[CobbVol]

Excellent question Ron.

 

[RockyTop85]

I assume they need or warrant or subpoena. I'd like to know what evidence they presented to justify the request

Cc: @McDad

Warrant vs. subpoena depends on the type of information obtained and how invasive the search is or how inherently private the data is. Most of the stuff described in your OP is not expressly subject to the warrant requirement, that I’m aware of.

I know for certain that there is old case where police used some kind of device to determine what numbers were being dialed from a land line and that didn’t need a warrant. Most of what is described seems like that.

There’s also a recent case that says cell phone location data requires a warrant. So that seems a little questionable, but I imagine the degree of specificity could play a role there. I haven’t read the case in a long time, or dealt with that issue before.

Private letters and communications are bedrock 4th amendment so you would think the content of text messages would fall under that.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The senators are claiming no predicate for having been spied on.

 

[LouderVol]

Excellent question Ron.

wasn't watergate actual phone taps? Like listening to the actual conversations and recording conversations in public areas?

that sounds like way worse than knowing that Hawley made a call to a hooker, or that Tuberville was reaching out to the local Alabama KKK branch, without knowing the actual conversation.

 

[LouderVol]

Cc: @McDad

Warrant vs. subpoena depends on the type of information obtained and how invasive the search is or how inherently private the data is. Most of the stuff described in your OP is not expressly subject to the warrant requirement, that I’m aware of.

I know for certain that there is old case where police used some kind of device to determine what numbers were being dialed from a land line and that didn’t need a warrant. Most of what is described seems like that.

There’s also a recent case that says cell phone location data requires a warrant. So that seems a little questionable, but I imagine the degree of specificity could play a role there. I haven’t read the case in a long time, or dealt with that issue before.

Private letters and communications are bedrock 4th amendment so you would think the content of text messages would fall under that.

I am assuming with letters, and possible texts and emails, those would require a warrant to obtain.

and as a lay person the general difference seems to be that a subpoena requires the subject to provide specific "information", while a warrant allows the government to go seize whatever is covered.

 

[OHvol40]

Because they would’ve said, a whistleblower came forward. But, here we are nothing found except corruption by the Democrats. Just take your L and move on.

A whistleblower came forward about the investigation, but nothing about the reason or findings, correct?

 

[volfanhill]

Cc: @McDad

Warrant vs. subpoena depends on the type of information obtained and how invasive the search is or how inherently private the data is. Most of the stuff described in your OP is not expressly subject to the warrant requirement, that I’m aware of.

I know for certain that there is old case where police used some kind of device to determine what numbers were being dialed from a land line and that didn’t need a warrant. Most of what is described seems like that.

There’s also a recent case that says cell phone location data requires a warrant. So that seems a little questionable, but I imagine the degree of specificity could play a role there. I haven’t read the case in a long time, or dealt with that issue before.

Private letters and communications are bedrock 4th amendment so you would think the content of text messages would fall under that.

I appreciate that

 

[OHvol40]

Since most liberals here assume that the Comey indictments are unwarranted, I guess we can expect some consistency? Or no?

I don’t think I’ve ever weighed in on anything recently with Comey, but as far as I’m concerned present any evidence on Comey and let’s see where it falls. If it’s a big nothing burger then obviously Trump is using the DOJ for retribution. Present the evidence.

Same in this case. If it’s true there were investigations, present the cause (if there is one) and any findings before judgement is passed. Assuming everything is politically motivated is a mistake, especially when it can objectively be proven or disproven.