Israel vs Palestinians II

So are you saying it doesn’t happen at all ? And that all videos of executions by Hamas and Palestinians fake?
I'm aware of one case where the accusation was used to eliminate dissent in hamas management. I don't know of any other cases where anyone was executed for being gay. Yet it's a common refrain here than being gay in Palestine means death. Those that say that should know how frequently it happens.
 
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I'm aware of one case where the accusation was used to eliminate dissent in hamas management. I don't know of any other cases where anyone was executed for being gay. Yet it's a common refrain here than being gay in Palestine means death. Those that say that should know how frequent it happens.
If you only steal from one person you’re a thief.
If you’re only aware of one homosexual execution……
 
Can someone tell me how many homosexuals live in Gaza or the west bank?
Impossible to count. It is illegal for men to practice homosexuality. There is tremendous familial pressure to stay in the closet. And there is the looming threat of persecution (even torture, death) by hamas.
Some gay Palestinians flee to Israel where it is much safer and easier to be queer.
 
Impossible to count. It is illegal for men to practice homosexuality. There is tremendous familial pressure to stay in the closet. And there is the looming threat of persecution (even torture, death) by hamas.
Some gay Palestinians flee to Israel where it is much safer and easier to be queer.
This is the correct answer.
When I was working with the group helping Christians and “others” escape Gaza we estimated the number at 15k that was in 2015. But as you said perfectly. With the extreme persecution of those 2 groups it was impossible to know the actual number
 
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Bull ****.
Quit pulling lies from your ass.

I knew the answer before I asked the question.
And just curious......hog88 answered 1. You had no comment on his answer but immediately had this response to me:

Bull ****.
Quit pulling lies from your ass.


Why would that be the case?.....lol....you discredit yourself.
 
Do you understand the system of classification?
You understand the underlying point. I used orangutangs out of a sense of good will since they are considered one of the most intelligent of primates.

Do you really want to continue this discussion to the point that you can no longer hand wave and distract? I was just going to make a passing point that few but yourself would get, but you know me. I'm game.

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You understand the underlying point. I used orangutangs out of a sense of good will since they are considered one of the most intelligent of primates.

Do you really want to continue this discussion to the point that you can no longer hand wave and distract?

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The discussion is idiotic........from your end.

So please feel free to continue.
 
The discussion is idiotic........from your end.

So please feel free to continue.
Sure, sure.

They only stink if you have a nose--i.e. the ability to judge each one. When you do away with the external standard of judgment, it's just an argument that you like your sphincter best. IOW, it becomes a contest in arrogance and loses any argumentative power.




That's why I keep asking @luthervol what the basis of his moral standard is, as well as the basis of his trust in his ability to properly interpret reality around himself.

His argument is that morality is defined by society, yet social morality is often wrong and needs to evolve to become "better". When push comes to shove, that "better" is no more than his opinion. Morality is a meaningless concept that just means that we should conform to his preferences.

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When asked about his trust in his ability to interpret reality around himself, I have been given no indication that he actually realizes the gravity of his predicament.

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He claims that humanity is nothing more than bald primates who are merely the result of random mutations and time--survival of the fittest, with "fittest" defined as the ones that are most adept at leaving behind their genetic material. "Fittest" cannot be defined as "rational and capable of properly interpreting reality", since random mutation and time cannot have that end in mind. And since one must use their mind, senses and rationality to judge how well their mind, senses and rationality correspond to reality, they are locked into a nihilistic question of whether or not they can actually trust that they are rational beings who correctly perceive reality around themselves.




So, Luther is painted into the corner of arguing that he is morally "right" and others are morally "wrong", based on societal definitions that he also claims can be immoral, thus we have the "moral" mandate to change.

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He claims that his opinions are the best opinions, with no reason whatsoever to believe that his opinions actually even correspond to objective reality.




It's this incredibly odd place where he is a progressive (whatever that means in this relativistic universe he's created in his mind), trying to hold us to a standard that he invented in his mind--which he contradicts at every step. He argues mere opinion as better/worse without any capability to support any standard that would make one opinion better than any other opinion, considering that, as far as he's concerned, we may or may not be mere primates. Although we could also not even exist, as he may be just some form of primordial goo that evolved to believe he's one of many apes. As far as he's concerned, the entire universe may just be a figment of his imagination.



Until he can grapple with that, he's literally just a yawn-factory selling self-contradictions. He realizes this, as evidenced by his defensive non-replies. But he won't admit it, except via the inevitable distraction replies, the most recent being "yawning" them away and retreating for a bit.
 
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